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Comments (3)A range of spacing could be appropriate, depending on what your goals for the tree are (nut production, timber, specimen tree, etc). Because of the nature of black walnuts (lower branch drop) and because of the thousand cankers disease (which will probably be in your area soon), I would recommend not planting it near any structure. And, yes, 8 hours of sun should be sufficient for a healthy tree. Below is a link that I hope will be helpful in your project. Here is a link that might be useful: Planting a Tree or Shrub...See MoreReport: Black Walnut Rose Plantings
Comments (28)I have had the same issue with the native pecan trees, in Texas. The oak leaf hydrangea lasted three years. I love roses, but haven't tried them, yet. I didn't want liriope, but it moved in, and is doing quite well, much to my chagrin. But I have a thing about removing living things, so there they are! 😀 I've experimented with several native plants, and have found that yaupon, Turk's cap, (aka Mexican apple) does well, as do Christmas fern, St. John's wort, and artemisia. Daffodils, lily of the valley, and bearded iris have survived thirty years, with absolutely no help, as have the rosemary bushes. Oak trees, redbuds, and Eve's necklace have been next to the pecan trees, for thirty, to fifty years. Sadly, the mints, bee balm, and lemon balm only made it two years. On the upside, I've seen non-natives that have survived at least twenty-five years, such as Japanese boxwoods, nandinas, and ligustrums. The gardenia bush died within three months, even though I pampered it. Juglone is a real bugger, but the pecan tree is our state tree, the birds love them, and they provide a squirrel circus that is often hilarious! Loved your article, Hawkeye_Belle! I love roses so much, and I've spent thirty years wondering whether my pecan trees would do them in. You've provided some excellent information!...See MoreSecond Report: Black Walnut Rose Planting
Comments (8)Tootswisc, There are many plants you can grow beneath a Black Walnut. Do a search for "Black Walnut Tolerant Plants" or "Juglone Toxin" or any variation of this. There are a number of university reports and personal reports. There is even a nursery that has a short list. Be aware the lists vary, but if you find the same plant on two lists, it is likely tolerant. These are plants that have been observed growing beneath or near BW trees. The reason I am experimenting with roses is: 1. The multiflora species is on the list. No one in their right mind would plant this rose as it is an absolute bramble. However, there are many hybrids that are in commerce that have multiflora genes and are quite lovely and much "tamer"-- Hybrid musk roses, polyantha roses, and multiflora hybrid climbers. 2. The most important reason is that others on the Garden Web rose forum have reported they have these roses growing up a BW tree or within the drip line. As to what you should plant I can tell you what else I have beneath the tree and let you decide. shasta daisies, daylilies, phylox (paniculata), impatines, berginia, lobilia, campanula carpacta, hosta, astilbe, certain ferns (toothed wood fern, cinnamon fern, christmas fern)lambs ear, monada, tiarella, aruncus, hollyhock, ajuga and lamiam. These are planted according to the amount of sunlight in that particular spot. Some require more shade than others. This fall, if I get to it, or next spring, I plan to put purple leaf sand cherry and japanese maple. Also, I am going to try a hydrangea macrophilia. One good thing about the BW is they are among the last trees to leaf out in the spring and the first to loose their leaves in the fall (indead they drop leaves year around). This is good for light exposure. They generally do not have real dense shade most of the year. For once blooming roses like the multiflora hybrids, this is somewhat friendly as it gives the roses more sun. Roses generally need 6 hours of sun daily, year around. Hybrid musk roses will grow and bloom with somewhat less sunlight, say 4 to 5 hours daily. Some of the polyanthas are also shade tolerant, like Cecile Brunner. Also, quite by accident I discovered rugosa roses are tolerant, or so far anyway, of the Juglone Toxin. All I can say is try. That's what I have done. And good luck! It seems to help to have copious amounts of organic matter in the garden. This seems to break down the toxin much quicker and somewhat dilutes the affect....See MoreQuestions re: planting under black walnut...
Comments (9)Hi Karen, Haven't been around much so just saw your post. I have 12 blackwalnut trees and plant right up next to them with no problems at all. I attempt to avoid the roots some, but they are easy to plant in and around. Probably the biggest thing is root competiton for water, but even then my plants have done well, even in times when I haven't been so faithful with watering. The roots are not terribly bulky , but somewhat shallow so even planting out away from the tree you will run into a root or two and may have to adjust your planting by moving your plant over slightly. But not usally a big deal.( Nothing like Maple tree roots) I ammend my soil right to the base of the tree I find most of the plants that thrive in the shade or woodland garden do well under the BWT. The one thing that I would like to grow but won't thrive is azaela/Rhododedrons. I have had good success with hostas, huecheras,Tiarellas,bleedinghearts,lilies,daylilies,Astilbes,ferns, lady's mantle and many more. Most annuals and bulbs do well also.The plants love the dappled shade the high canopy of the BTW provides. Japenese maples do great.Never attempted bamboo so I can't comment on that. Here is a link to one resource regarding juglone toxicity and compatable plants. Hope this helps Here is a link that might be useful: Black walnut trees/juglone toxicity...See More- 19 years ago
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