I hate to pop your bubble. But my 'Double Golden Queen' Datura seeds are brown seeds and have some black seeds in the same package. The flowers are completely different, the plants are completely different. The Daturas are relatively small, 2 feet maybe. But Brugmansias can grow into huge shrubs up to 10 feet high! The Datura flowers usually do point upward or straight out, the Brugmanisa do hang down, thus the name 'Angels Trumpet', and are over 3 feet long each,and the fragrance is incredible, and you can grow them from cuttings and will get a plant much faster from cuttings. Daturas only grow from seed. Go on EBay and you can buy cuttings, or rooted cuttings of many type/colors of Brugmansias. And you will have a blooming plant in a few weeks after planting, and as it grows, it will bloom in huge flushes. Since you are located where the Brugmansia can grow all year and for many years, that is your best best. The Datura is an annual, and while you can get like 3-4 different colors and types of flowers from them, the Brugmansia comes in a nearly unlimited amount of colors and they bloom in huge flushes of blooms, and you can let it grow to a huge shrub, or keep it under control with cutting it back, and take the cuttings and plant them in water or soil, to root and get more plants fast. Daturas take a long time to sprout/grow to get a blooming size plant. I am growing the 'Double Golden Queen' datura right now ,from seed, and it has taken 3 weeks to get its first set of true leaves, it will be months before I get a blooming size plant. Frankly I have never seen a Brugmansia seed. I always grow mine from rooted cuttings. If I had my choice, i would grow the Brugmansia, its so much more fragrant, gets huge, and the flower is over 3 feet long! THATS a flower!

Wow what a deal. Send me seeds too. Anyone else want free seeds. Just put down you want free seeds. I am not fussy. I will take any free seeds you send me. Send me those expensive hard to find seeds. thanks

You're in luck... I just ordered the Brugmansia and Datura book by Ulrike and Hans-Georg Preissel. It just arrived today. According to the book, "D. inoxia grows upright into a shrub about 1 1/2'-7' in height. The young shoots of the green plants are covered thickly with numerous glandular hairs that become fewer on older sections. The soft leaves are a broad oval shape. The leaf edges are whole, but occasionally undulate and toothed in the lower section. The flowers are about 4" accross and shaped like a funnel. They are 4 1/2-7 1/2 inches long and pure white in color. The greenish veins end in five longer peaks. The interacuminal peak that lie between are noticeably wider and longer than D. wrightii." "D. wrightii grows into a bush either upright or low lying up to a height of 5 foot. The green shoots of the plant often look as if they are covered with a thin violet layer. All the young leaves are noticeably furry but they become less so as they age. The soft leaves are ovate to broadly ovate. The edge of the leaf is coarsely toothed or gently undulate. The funnel shaped flower corollas are 5-9" long and attain a diameter of 5". The upper section is usually violet to pale violet. Pure white examples are rare." As far as starting them from seed, they mention 2 inparticular that are contrary to start, neither of these are the ones I've described. It does say that the seeds should germinate at temps around 68*F. Last year, I soaked some seeds, probably for a couple, 3 or 4 days before I sowed them in my greenhouse this past early spring. A good many of them sprouted and I transplanted them into pots until the weather warmed up. I planted several around the property and was fortunate enough to enjoy their sweet perfume. Were the seeds aquired from a trade? Maybe they are older seed, maybe harvested too early, not kept in ideal conditions. At any rate, I've got a ton of seeds that I've been harvesting from my D. inoxia that I'd be happy to share with you for SASE. Hope this info helps. Nancy Here is a link that might be useful: Brugmansia and Datura book

catman, there have been a few folks who have said the same as you as to more folks here than in the exchange, but I don't know how one knows that b'c we're all pretty anonymous here as opposed to many other message sites where if someone is online at the site their name appears at the bottom of the opening page. LOL I see you joined here in 2008 and by that time I think the tomato exchange, photo gallery and Pest and disease Forums associated with this one were in place. There was a need to do that b'c again, this general tomato forum was being overwhelmed. Just a bit of history. Shortly before I came here there was no Tomato Forum, they were discussed in the Vegetable Forum, but there were so many tomato threads there that Spike opened this one just for tomatoes. I can't and wouldn't tell you what to do about double posting here and in the exchange, that's something you have to decide for yourself, I suppose based on some of what I've shared with you in my post above and this one. Carolyn