That's how I feel about Canadian Justice. It's ridiculous. I remember hearing about a case where a man had kidnapped, raped and tortured a woman. She was found alive, naked, and hanging from something in the barn. The man had also killed a deer out of season. He was convicted on both offenses, and got a harsher sentence for killing the deer than for what he did to the woman. Yes, this Ryczak says the woman came at him with a lamp, and he had to defend himself. There were no other witnesses. There is a worse example of Canadian Justice. Canadians, especially in my area, where it happened, were completely outraged by the Karla Homolka case, and her ten year sentence for multiple murders (she was involved her her sisters' death, among others). I don't know if this case is known outside of Canada or not... Here is a link that might be useful: Karla Homolka

I'm glad to hear that someone got a smile out of this...not an easy thing considering the subject. I had a weekend place in Senator Byrds home state, West Virginia for about 11 years. Over time, I came to both admire and abhor many things he did. I always thought, that no matter if I agreed with him or not, he was an eloquent speaker, able to make a point like no other. He has sort of become a caricature of himself, but that's o.k. with me. I think he has great grace and passion concerning this subject. Hopefully, many will agree and let him know. This is not a time for any animal lover to sit idly by and say nothing. It only takes a few seconds to either e-mail or call our voice of support. SG

Nope. You're pretty clear, but I don't think you're coming across like you want to. Instead of being happy for OP that the BM got caught defrauding the system, you drug her into it and called her judgmental and insinuated she's living off her dad, you brought Myfam into it and insinuated she'd never been 'on her own' so therefore she was judgmental, and you've continued on that vein ever since. "But I would not judge her for not working if I myself did not work, had no children at home during the day and was supported by a husband and a father. Not everyone is that lucky." " I think you are just lucky your DH makes enough or you have other family to help, isn't your father paying for your DD's education?" "Everything is relative. Just have some perspective, not everyone has parents or men to move in with." " I don't care if others don't work. But if someone stays home and is fortunate enough to be supported financially, but then suggests other women must work, it does strike a chord with me. It seems arrogant to me, maybe it is not meant this way, but sure comes across." "Many on this forum got lucky to live very comfortable lives and a lot of support and felt it is OK to pass unkind judgments on those who aren't as lucky." ETC, ETC... IE: If you get help from family when you need it, you are entitled and judgmental toward those who have to ask for help from the govn't. PLUS... It appears that your opinion is that if a mother even thinks for a moment that she wished she hadn't had kids... even if she'd never had an abortion and didn't consider having one when she got pregnant (even though she's pro-choice), it's sickening. Try looking at it from the perspective of others for once.

Yes, what texanjana said. An unconscious person cannot control such bodily functions, so farting during surgery has got to be a very common occurrence. I'll admit I've never thought about it until now though. Also what dedtired said. I inexplicably turn into a 6 year old boy when it comes to "toilet" humor. Always have, and at this stage of my life, I can say with confidence that I always will.