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Abies koreana 'Wustemeyer' and Abies koreana 'Silverkugel'

10 years ago

The RHS Encyclopedia of Conifers indicated that Abies koreana 'Wustemeyer' and Abies koreana 'Silverkugel' are syn. My Abies koreana 'Wustemeyer' and the images shown in some nurseries look more like Abies koreana 'Freudenberg'. Can some experts in this forum comment on this? Thanks

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coniferjoy
10 years ago
It's true cultivar name in German is 'Silberkugel', not 'Silverkugel'.
This means 'Silver Globe' in English.

It was found by my German friend Werner WÃÂ¼stemeyer and he gave it first the temporary name 'H.B. WÃÂ¼stemeyer no. 1'.

I think your Abies koreana 'WÃÂ¼stemeyer' is a mistake for Abies koreana 'Zwergform WÃÂ¼stemeyer' which has an upright growing habit.
'Zwergform WÃÂ¼stemeyer' was also a temporary name for what is now Abies koreana 'Lippetal', named after a town in Germany.
garcanad
Original Author
10 years ago
Thank you very much Edwin; such a clear and informative response. You are a respected conifer cultivar identification expert for good reasons.
Here is a pic of my plant:
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I will update my database accordingly.
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Edwin, thanks for all of this assistance. The 'Starker's Dwarf' cultivar I had always thought looked unusual for an Abies koreana but I did not really question it's Abies koreana designator for two reasons. First, it's widely distributed by Iseli Nursery, one of the most prominent, older nurseries in our country. See the link below. Also I have seen unusual leaf formations on other conifer cultivars(Pseudotsuga menziesii 'Fretsii' comes to mind), so I figured it was just an odd-needled form of Abies koreana. Much appreciation to both Clement and yourself for verifying what we had began to suspect. Clement had also posted a photo of Abies chensiensis and the needles looked very different from this form, almost sharp and more light green. More discussion is needed here as I'd love to know what this beauty is, both for future trading and proper labeling. Notes also made about Picea breweriana 'Wuestemeyer'. I appreciate the help Edwin and my database continues to be sharpened slowly like a knife thanks to your endless assistance. Your value to these forums is as great or greater then any other. Here is a link that might be useful: Iseli's offering of Abies koreana(actually nordmanniana) 'Starker's Dwarf'
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sprucebud
10 years ago
Very nice picture!
Richard
coniferjoy
10 years ago
Garcan, thanks for your compliment!
Your pic is showing an Abies koreana 'Lippetal'.
garcanad
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10 years ago
Richard, Thanks.
Edwin, Thanks for the confirmation. After looking at some pic of Abies koreana 'Lippetal' on the internet, now I am wondering some of the top branches of my plant may be showing signs of reversion.
maple_grove_gw
10 years ago
LOL, I know of at least two prominent nurseries that are offering both 'WÃÂ¼stemeyer/Zwegform WÃÂ¼stemeyer' and 'Lippetal' currently, and at different prices for the same (pot) size no less! In both cases, the appelation 'Lippetal' commends the higher sticker price :0).

Garcan, that is a very lovely fir in your garden! I'm sure it must be equally lovely in winter covered in snow...

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coniferjoy
10 years ago
Alex, it seems that they didn't their homework very carefully...don't you think?
mesterhazypinetum
10 years ago
On one hand I find it very good, that Edwin knows what plants were renamed at his german friend by the times. Thats very good to make problems clear.
On the other hand I also think, if we had breeders or authors, who are able to give names in situ, without later change, our work should have been much more easier in following conifer history.

By this way I like sometimes Edwin for these infos. I m fighting since 30 years with authors, who name their plants HB 1, WB 2, WB # 145, HB 28 and so on. Even the bests are able to kill their plants with unuseful names.

The most tragic story is the Horstmann's. Everything is full with HB names, sometimes HB 5 or 8. By this way without loveable and unsoldable names the Horstmann Heritage is lost for the conifer history.
Half of the Jerry Morris Heritage is also lost by numbers.

The czech breeders are able to give names in the forest in situ. Why are others not able this?
Chub Harper, Joe Stupka was also able to give names in situ, and their hertiage will be not lost.

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Hey guys, I know I am picking up late on this post! I sure love the Korean Fir cultivars. I am a newer conifer grafter in Utah and had pretty good success last year. I am wanting to mix it up this year with some new cultivars and was wondering if anyone would be willing to share a few scions? I will obviously pay shipping and could even just email you a prepaid USPS label that can be printed, taped on the box and left for the postman to pick up. Thanks!

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