Why would they do such a thing?

Bush is dumb! all he wants to do is take over the world rob the savage garden lovers of their plants and grow them on mars...

cheers

Our local radio station has been advertising that there is a bill to HELP threatened and endangered species recover. It's called the Threatened and Endangered species Recovery Act - TESRA - Here's a link to the web site that has been advertised on the radio here.

Here is a link that might be useful: Threatened and Endangered species Recovery Act

My understanding is that developers/landowners will now have to be paid by the federal government if thier property can not be developed and is devalued due to the presence of endangered species. It is like being paid to obey the law. It passed the house but has yet to pass the senate. The bill also makes it much more difficult for species to become listed as threatened or endangered and requires an economic analysis to be done for each individual species. A "cost" to which species deserve to be saved. It also eliminates the designation of "critical habitat" for endangered species, so you can save the species but don't neccesarily have to save the habitat, that makes no sense and shows a lack of knowlege or disregard for how ecosystems work.

It was introduced by Richard Pombo of California who is a rancher and developer, his whole political career has been based on defeating the endangered species act. It has the full backing of the bush administration. Hopefully it won't pass the senate, write your senator and congressman if you feel strongly about this.

Sheesh

It makes you wonder what rocks they breed politicians under, goto South Africa, goto America they all the same.

Cheers

Sheldon

Yes, that bill will help threatened and endangered species... right into extinction and we'll lose even more wetlands but we'll finally be able to build a nice big exclusion wall up along the border to Mexico to stop the illegal aliens from getting in so easily because we won't need to worry about that protected plant and its current protected critical habitat any more. Never did understand why they didn't just drive sheet piling right through that 5 mile plus stretch of protected ecosystem if border patrol was so important to us. We do seem to have the technology to build bridges across vast stretches of water yet we can't plug up that 5 mile stretch without this bill to enhance Homeland Security?

It is incomprehensible that people like these not only exist on our planet, but occupy positions of power.

Humanity is the one responsible for letting people of such ignorance take over like this.

They are taking away everything that is good, our freedom, our environment, our jobs. They look for excuses to place their laws caused by their selfish greed and ignorance.

Now they want to put a price tag on every mammal, bird, tree and insect?

This is insane!

Does any one knows the complete name of this bill?

HR 3824 aka "The Pombo Ant-Endangered Species Bill"

Here is a link to it HR3824

I could not find anything about the bill, I am hoping some one else can, but I found that this Pombo guy is a nutjob from hell!

If you live in CA, check out this website.

www.votepomboout.org

Threatened and Endangered Species Recovery Act.

Here are some of the provisions that enviornmental groups object to.

AzureBluet

In South Africa in the "old days" the government build a large barbed wire fence along the border, they then tapped this baby into some serious current, we not talking "ouch that hurt current", we talking "your ass is deep fried" current.
Lets just say there was not much problem with people getting over, since then of course such "inhumane" things have been stopped and the current turned down to a mild shock, and of course the fencing is now been stolen.

If there is such an issue with people getting into the country why dont they just implement smething like this.
It takes the first few people not listening until the message gets across.

Cheers

Sheldon

Not in a position to respond as I'd like. Are we talking electric chair type current or something slightly below that?

I cant remember the exact current, the voltage was something like 500000 and the amps where pumped up major as well, we talking you grab the fence your dead.

Cheers

Sheldon

Works for me.

Does any one knows of a good "new" website to email The Florida Congressman and Senators?

I have been looking for hours, and all I find are gost websites where you email, but then you get a dam return that tell you that the mail was not delivered because the address was incorect.

I wondering how many people in the US are having this same problem or is it just me.

You have probably tried here....

...and here

For some reason fond reminisences of the "old days" in S. Africa make me a bit uneasy....

Hey KWOODS

As per any country (this one included) alot of good and bad happend and happens.
That is past now and hopefully the country will start progressing forward and not sink.
I personally agree 100% with the decision to put such a fence up, reason being that it pretty much cured the issue of fence jumping.
Nowdays when its "more humane" and give a little shock people literally steal the fencing and walk on through.
As bad as some things were, many people in other countries infact dont know the history of what actually happend and only rely on CNN which is a dangerous thing.

As I said to start with, the US has an horrific history, as does Spain and many other countries, with the bad though there is always things and decisions that that were actually a pretty good idea for the saftey of the country and its people.

Thata all Im going to say on that one.

Cheers

Sheldon

No offense intended. I've read other posts of yours and you seem helpful and good intentioned. Criticism was not directed at you, simply stating that the conversation makes me uneasy. Not really the place for stating my opinions on american/s. african history, electrocution, porous borders or illegal immigration, so I won't.

In reference to the original post I do think this is the worst kind of legislation and I hope others will express their opinions to their Senators before it comes to a vote.

Agreed, didnt want to go into any "bad topics", was trying to point out ideas that some people came up with that while it was a tad "shocking" (mind the pun) it certainly worked.
This legislation after reading it certainly is not a good thing at all, but business is a large force in the present goverment, I think the business aspect is taking presidence over what damage this could cause.

Cheers

Sheldon