Regarding MG's assertion that non-conventional ag would require the cultivation of 50% of the Earth's dry surface: According to many sources, the earth's land area is approximately 150 million square kilometers. I think most of us here, being to some extent experts in food production, would agree that in the temperate latitudes, given soil of average arability, annual precipitation of above 15 inches per year, and decent management, the production of food for 500 people per km2 is quite reasonable. I am speaking of a largely non-flesh diet and using all easily available fertilizer sources, notably human and animal effluent. Depending on the climate, many staple food crops can produce human food very abundantly and sustainably. In the tropical latitudes, due to much higher rates of photosynthesis, the production could feed probably much in excess of 500 people per km2. Of course north of about 45 degrees latitude the productivity per land area drops greatly. In any case, we can conservatively take a production sufficient for 500 people per km2 as a global average. So for approximately 7 billion people we arrive at 14 million km2 of averagely arable land, without need of artificial irrigation or degrading land via large-scale grazing. That happens to be extremely close to current estimates of total global arable land, but my description of use (intelligent vs maximized for profit) would allow far more land into the category. Beyond that are huge areas of more fragile lands that can be used in different ways, again with sensible management. All that is required is much more human labor and attention to the matter.

I really don't want to be responsible for screwing up the life of a beautiful baby sumac ==>> little late for that.. dont you think ... fully leafed.. in z5.. it can NOT go outside ... now.. it was 9 degrees in my z5 this morning ... it should have been left outdoors ... ignore it.. water it properly.. and put it outside when appropriate in spring ... its a free range seedling/sucker .. go get another if this one fails.. and plant it in mother earth ... what it will do.. once back outdoors.. i have no clue.. but its a 'run it over with the truck' type of plant ... i doubt you can kill it ... short of not watering it ... [ignoring bringing it indoors and fertilizing it for winter.. lol] that said.. i dont know why you are importing invasives into your yard.. no matter how big your yard... there are some things.. that are better off enjoyed.. at 65 miles per hour.. as you drive past them on the rural backroads.. lol ... invest in the pretty .. foo foo-colored one.. that is less aggressive .. and hopefully sterile .. and leave these road swallowing monsters for the roadside ... ken

Thanks for the video ... I looked for a friend who went on Saturday but didn't see her. She said how impressed she was that 'most' people were courteous and helpful to others. I went with three friends on Monday ... it was just the strangest experience after visiting there for over twenty years. There were still so many wonderful hostas left ... the bobcat was being used to take out some of the big clumps for buyers. You couldn't help but salvage as much as you could because that was the last day and the word was it was going to be leveled. I even dug out Delta Dawn next to a bee nest!

I thought he died a couple of years ago looks like the same notice maybe this was his brother