I grow basically all of these in my zone 5 Nebraska yard, and being mostly hybrid tea bushes that die to the ground in my zone these estimates may be shorter than yours, though the relative sizes are about the same. As for spacing them, we obviously TRY to put shorter in front, medium behind them and tall behind them. What you're doing is the right way to gather that information. Unfortunately, my roses have never learned to read and at least 10% differ substantially from the relative heights they are supposed to grow. At that point, your choices are basically: a) dig them up and move them, b) live with it, c) get really creative about pegging or otherwise discouraging giants from overshadowing roses behind them. Being totally lazy, I choose option b unless it's just ridiculous then I drape the canes on some kind of support horizontally in front of the bush for giants (or put protective wire cages around to support tall neighbors of a rose that's really too small for its location. FWIW, here are my estimates for your roses: Fragrant Cloud - supposed to be tall but mine rarely survived Barbra Streisand - short but technically supposed to be medium Bewitched - short for me, didn't survive well Pink Peace - didn't overwinter so not a fair estimate Peace- didn't overwinter so not a fair estimate Chicago Peace- probably medium Pop John Paul II - surprisingly no more than medium even though it's supposed to be tall Firefighter - medium to tall Chrysler Imperial - mostly medium, may be tall in your zone Belinda's Dream - medium to tall, I would count on tall in your zone Double Delight - short, very short Francis Meilland - mostly tall Memorial Day- medium for me Mister Lincoln- didn't overwinter so not a fair estimate Cynthia

There is a need for labeling, in my opinion. We all should want to avoid pesticides, fungicides and genetically modified seeds. If you don't want to avoid them, then I'm not sure you could possibly have an understanding of the harm to people and to the environment that they have the potential of doing. And it does take considerable time and investigation to gain that understanding. If you are saying that there is a need, but people have misused labels, I'm sure that is true. Seems to be a common practice in today's world to try to get away with something. But if you want to avoid these things, I guess it just takes a bit more to figure out what is accurate labeling and what isn't. People should know what they are buying. If they want to avoid pesticides, fungicides and GMO, then having that on the label should absolutely guarantee the consumer that is what they are getting. I purchase from Fedco seeds when I purchase seeds, because I think they are as committed to avoiding those things as I am. And because they are honest and clear about what effort they've made to ascertain that about their seed and products and in what why they comply or don't comply. They also stay abreast of the latest news on these subjects and insert them into their catalog. They are a coop and not driven by profit. I don't like to spend a lot of time investigating whether claims on the label are accurate or not. So, I try to focus on the root materials and avoid the processed products by large corporations. As far as organic soil - I am trying to avoid anything added to or any process to the materials that are unnatural. I just want natural materials. And if something has been grown, I want to know if the grower has used organic methods. I rarely buy a bag of soil, except when it's time sensitive. And I read the label, and the ingredients and description of how the product was produced. I ask a lot of questions so that I know what I am buying. Normally, I make my own potting soil, so I know what I end up with. I've been growing organically for 35+ years and my standards are higher than most people's that I talk to. Not because I'm smarter or better than any other gardener, but I guess I'm just more risk averse. I don't buy products. I don't use pesticides or fungicides of any kind. Rarely, I've used a home made spray with garlic, a drop of dishwashing liquid and some red pepper powder, all harmless materials. I allow my garden to develop it's own ecology as much as possible. I use my own chopped up leaves and compost to fertilize with. I do buy Organic Seaweed and Fish Emulsion as my one and only fertilizer. Once in awhile I'll buy dried alfalfa meal to give roses an added boost for the long blooming season they have. Beyond that, it's water, sunshine and attention. That's it. All of that is now our routine and it doesn't seem more difficult then what other gardeners do in their garden. And in the end, it probably saves me time, worry and money.

Nancy thank you ! I was hoping I would get a quick response and activity more than normal theses days. )) James, what's up !?? Good to see you. I still have visions of your beautiful in home might I add orchids. Going to the orchid show tomorrow and can not wait. First the pictures then I‘ll fill in the detail on my computer This is them. They are fragrant ones sitting to the right side of a south facing window. They are sitting on the pebbles for extra humidity getting morning light and some over head artificial on cloudy long dark days. South facing window at one of my homes. Sitting about a foot back from it. In this window my gardenia grows like wild letting me know there is lots of light. The Phals are just to the right of them not getting the direct straight on sunlight like these do or the window plants. Humidity is usually this high all winter long unless I shut the humidifier off which at times I have to. See my over hanging lights? I have the top flat grow lights or I can use the 100 watt daylight LED bulbs or I could use both on cloudy days all winter. I use them for at least 10 hours on dark days. Not at all when the sun shines. To the top right at the ceiling I also have a skylight that allows above them 8 feet to the right . I also have a ceiling fan for air movement above them a small table fan on oscillating all day long towards them. Lots of air movement.Normal temps on cloudy days and at night about 65. Higher than that on sunny days. The humidifier set on low.Any advice gratefully appreciated. I know I have to water properly and keep them in the right mix. But with the right watering and the mix do you think they will be happy? Anything else I should do? Thanks a bunch to all in advance.

Love red windows! This is a great color and the limestone is beautiful This dark gray and stone looks good with red. Another attractive combination. Mountain green: