Floramakros: I _DO_ win because no one here, including you, has offered a single substantive refutation of anything I've posted on the issues initially raised in the Pinus thread and later those separated into another thread by me to keep things organized. (Except Resin on the very minor issue of where to collect the best C. florida for NW Europe; and because I'm a reasonable, not highly defensive person, I agreed he probably had a good point at least w/respect to the UK proper.) You seem to consider an ad hominem attacks on others - most recently calling me an "idiot" - to be a valid way to argue. I have a BS degree in biology from a top 50 rated US university and worked in one of the country's leading toxicological research labs after college. (but since moved into another field, since having to wear a ventilator mask at work can be a major downer!) Is that my qualification for being an idiot? Is that why my arguments are routinely debunked by other people (not!)? Look, I've been here for 7 years longer than you, and I was actually on gardenweb since its inception under another user name. We've had troublemakers come and go. Guess who's looking like the troublemaker recently? I came into the Pinus thread having seen your earlier posts and having thought of you as another positive contributor. I'm sure you forget but I responded to one of your earlier posts about Pinus strobus in California, in the hopes of it being helpful _to you_. I see you insult the original poster ("we get a troll"), and then get into a tussle with Salicaceae/Jason. I TOTALLY ignore this drama initially, and comment only on the validity of your argument about the theoretical plant SCPalmnut could purchase. (post 23) I point out quite reasonably that a clone in the nursery trade doesn't constitute "rare DNA". By definition, nurseries and arboreta don't sell out their last mother plant of anything when running a grafting operation. That's why they've grafted it. We reasonably assume that SCPalmnut was not going to visit the grove in Mexico and smuggle out cones of an endangered species! (not that they aren't already being "wasted": "Like other pinyons, the seeds are edible; this represents a threat to the species' survival, as the majority of the seeds produced are harvested, limiting natural regeneration of the pines." per wikipedia) Remarkably, it's always been obvious that I agreed in general with you discouraging SCPalmnut, I just dared to attempt to make the slightest correction to why you were criticizing him. To respond to a post that completely ignored drama, guess who turned on the drama: "So we should stop giving our infants vaccinations because there's a chance they'll be hit and killed by a school bus at the age of 10 anyway...that's seems like pretty twisted logic..." I took this affront _to reason_* as an invitation to put you in your place. For someone like me, that meant using logic to debunk your faulty rhetoric, not tell you you needed therapy. This is where I made my one and only mistake - by continuing at all. I probably should have realized no one was taking your silly vindictiveness seriously, but I didn't. And yes, I got a little high handed in my response. (_I_ can recognize when I'm taking things a little too far, unlike some people: HAHAHAHAHA) But there's a big difference between saying "HAHA" in a post and suggesting the other person has mental issues ("Definitely seek therapy" as you said to me): instead of actually trying to respond to anything in my original posts, since this point in the narrative you have done nothing but attempt to insult me and accuse me of lying. You were apparently aghast no one else was buying it: "Please someone else say something, sheesh". History repeated itself as I point out the plant may not be able to grow in SC or FL, but is not extremely sensitive to humidity if McPotts (how fitting) had grown it in a pot in Virginia. Believe me, I've had protea seedlings last from January to June, and literally DIE a couple days after the first humid, sultry Virginia evening. I know all about the problem of maritime plants in humid climates. Again, for whatever reason this perfectly valid contribution to the thread completely enraged you. If there's anything wrong with this precis of the current state of affairs, do feel free to let us know. I will no longer comment on "L'affaire maximartinezii" itself, although of course I will defend myself from further ad hominem attacks in this and any other thread. I'm willing to move on in the sense that I will see you again as any other poster who was making and hopefully will continue to make positive contributions. (You notice I didn't triumphantly cheer your announcement of departure; would have you done the same if I had said I was leaving for good?) Let's just say we had a "misunderstanding" and call it a day. * - i.e., not to _me_. At no point have I responded to your attacks on me by attacking you in the same way; the statement I made about an "elephant in the room" was quite clearly a rhetorical device and not some kind of threat, as you kept trying to make it out to be in an attempt to drum up nonexistent sympathy for your side of the argument. This post was edited by davidrt28 on Sun, Dec 2, 12 at 8:50

When my girls were little I sewed alot for them,then i made stabs at crocheting,knitted until artheritis set in, Learned to paint but gave that up when Arther set into my right hand but funny thing I started to quilt,my daughter did some of my cutting I just can't navigate a rotary cutter so far in 2 years I made quilts for all 12 children I don't do any special quilting I usually bind with difficulty, sandwich,tie and stitch in ditch. At least I try and good therapy for me. In fact I had my husband take me to a town nearby this morning to a shop and I bought backing for "Chinese Coin" quilt I am working on.

Happy Ending -- I decided to take Notwicked & Sylvia's advice and called the Village police station. They knew immediately who I was and why I was calling. Turns out the accident occured just over the Village limits. The desk seargent said that since they knew the 'big city' couldn't be bothered with a no-injury, no-damage to another vehicle accident, and since it was out of their jurisdiction, they didn't pursue it. But they said that this is the kind of thing they normally get very involved in, because as a residential village with lots of small kids, speeding is one of our larger problems, and it was obvious to the officer that the kid had been speeding. He asked if I wanted to press charges and said I could, but that I'd have to go to court and testify. I explained that my concern was not to punish the kid, but mainly to be sure that he learned enough of a lesson so that he wouldn't kill himself or someone else before he grew up enough to know better. I explained that I had a 16 year old son myself, and that as a parent, I would want to know what had happened so I could take appropriate action with my son. So the sergeant offered to call the kid's parents to discuss the accident, and I said I thought that would be great. He called me back a few minute ago to let me know that the parents were very grateful to have been called. So I'm guessing that's about as happy an ending as there could be. Thanks for the good advice --

It's fine to resurrect an old thread. It's just a common way of spammers. And they'll post a vague comment then return under the 7 day window and edit the thread and add spam. (after 7 days, no edit allowed.) I check to see the poster's other activity, and if there is none, then I watch that post. Sometimes I'll see other posts, and can tell if the person is real or a spam bot. Just help out and flag the spam when you see it!