Long-stemmed cutting rose ...

16 years ago

Hi everyone! I just got started with roses this year, and i dare say, i'm hooked. I have one fairly small bed, an empty bed, that i was going to use for herbs. But now i'd like to grow roses there that are SPECIFICALLY reserved for cutting. The kind of long-stemmed roses that cost 10 dollars a bundle at the supermarket. Does anyone have any recommendations on what rose or roses might be best suited for this use?

I tend to like yellow, red, of course white ... any ideas?

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Maryl (Okla. Zone 7a)

16 years ago

Black Magics blooms are a little on the flat side and the color is a darker red while the blooms on Vet's Honor have a higher center. Vet's Honor usually wins more trophys for exhibitors then does Black Magic. They are both good roses however.

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ceterum
16 years ago
Reds:

Papa Meilland
Taboo aka Barkarole
Red Intuition
Rouge Royale (if you spray)
Royal William (Fragrant Charm or Duftzauber)

In addition, there are a few new red cutting roses (for example, Grande Amore) offered by Palatine roses, I suggest you check them out.

Yellows:

Valencia
Caramel Antike
Elina

Whites (are the most difficult)

Tineke - florist rose, thrips do not bother it and almost never destroyed by botrytis blight

Crystalline is the usual rose suggested for cutting but it is a very frustrating rose to grow in humid/rainy climate - very botrytis prone and thrips love it. When it is good it is perfect but not many times I could cut a 'perfect' bloom

Ice girl - I have no experience with this one yet; I ordered it because Aprille in northern California said that it had been great for her. It is a cut flower for home gardens, so I am hoping that it will be good.

Again, Palatine offers a few white roses that are bred for cutting, so check them out. It worth checking out this company - they deliver the biggest & healthiest bare roots I have ever received.
petaloid
16 years ago
(You probably know that the long-stemmed roses you buy at the market are grown inside greenhouses, rather than outdoors. Some greenhouse varieties do well in a garden and some do not.)

I would suggest you try St. Patrick (yellow/green, very long-lasting blooms) Veteran's Honor (long-lasting red) and Gemini (white with coral-blushed edges, generous bloomer).

All three are garden roses that produce good cutting roses for bouquets and have no disease problems in my coastal garden.

You can look up any of the recommendations on HelpMeFind.com for descriptions and a "photos" tab with lots of pictures.

Here is a link that might be useful: HelpMeFind rose search
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ceterum
16 years ago
In case you like peach-apricot colored roses Osiana is a great florist rose that is available for home gardeners.

I forgot to mention Black Baccara - again it is a florist rose but performs quite well in the garden but not when wet weather is predominant. Another dark red florist/cutting rose is Black Magic; it does not like my climate at all but I read glowing reports from the west coast and even from rose growers gardening in cold northern climate.
kublakan
16 years ago
One consideration for your quest is to remember that roses develope huge beautiful buds, like those sold at the supermarket, when you have a combination of cool nights and warm days.

Considering that I live in SoFlo be aware that my suggestions are based on my experiences in my climate:

Reds:
Big Ben
Veteran's Honor

Yellow:
Gold Medal

Orange/Blend:
Perfect Moment
Dolly Parton
Calico (cool blend)

White (-ish):
Moonstone
Elina
Louise Estes
Princess De Monaco
Lynn Anderson

Yellow:
St. Patrick

Pink:
Gentel Giant
Belinda's Dream

Purple:
Neptune
Hot Princess

Good luck and happy journy through your growing process as you learn the world of roses. Everything you need to learn can be found on this forum!

Adrian.
diane_nj 6b/7a
16 years ago
You want plants in the "Hybrid Tea" or "Grandiflora" class of roses. In catalogs or online they may have the initials HT or GR (or Gr) next to the variety name.

All of the above named are excellent. I like Hot Princess, Gemini, Touch of Class, Neptune, Tiffany (wonderful fragrance) and Moonstone. If I was to grow another red HT, it would be Veteran's Honor.

Palatine Roses is an excellent vendor.
rainbow_2007
16 years ago
Christian Dior is a good long stemmed red without fragrance.
athenainwi
16 years ago
My favorite reds are Black Magic and Ingrid Bergman. Black Magic lasts a little longer but Ingrid has a scent. I did get one perfect bloom off Taboo this year but it's been slow to get going and most of the blooms weren't very well formed. I used Moondance as a white cut rose this year. Even though it doesn't last as long as a real cut rose should it bloomed so often that I could afford to cut a new one every few days. And it smells really good too. My favorite cut rose this year is Marilyn Monroe which is more of a cream color. It lasts a long time and has a nice scent but you should be aware it has nasty thorns.

I'm ordering a bunch more cut roses from Palatine. They have a really good selection and will state expected vase life. They're roses are really large and healthy too.
estreya
Original Author
16 years ago
Oh WOW! Thank you, everyone .. you've given me LOTS to research here. I'm absolutely certain i'll find at least one that thrives in the Great Pacific Northwest ... it looks like Veteran's Honor is mentioned a few times, so i think i'll research that one first ...

And thank you for the link, Petaloid ... this all gives me just the launching point i need ...

Cheers!
kentucky_rose zone 6
16 years ago
Long stemmed and lasts--Black Magic, Veteran's Honor, Moonstone, or Cajun Moon

Hot Princess is great in the spring and especially fall. In the summer the color isn't as vibrant or deep and the petal count seems lower, but the stems are still long.
estreya
Original Author
16 years ago
Excellent! So if you had to choose between Black Magic and Veteran's Honor, which would you select?

(I assume they would look odd together, yes?)
pacnwgrdngirl
16 years ago
Hi estreya :

I grow Mister Lincoln here in the Northwest. It does beautifully! It has amazing fragrance and makes the most beautiful, long lasting bouquets that make your whole house smell great.

Adrienne
kentucky_rose zone 6
16 years ago
Each has its own attributes. Veteran's Honor probably is the gold standard for reds and is one of the top 3 exhibition roses. But if you like a darker, velvety red then Black Magic is the one. BM has long stems and lasts as long, maybe 1 day longer, than VH. I think I get more blooms on my BM than VH. During the heat of the summer, the necks on my VH were weak. I love them both! But if I had to choose, today it would be Veteran's Honor.
zeffyrose
16 years ago
I don't have many HT's in my garden but I really like The MacCartney Rose------It has been very healthy in my no-spray garden--very fragrant and a lovely in the vase
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and in the garden
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this rose has been so healthy and it was a bagged rose from Home Depot a couple of years ago.

Florence

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