Need help with Victorian climbers that will grown in Michigan!!!
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Need help choosing a good climber partial shade tollerant for zone 5
Comments (10)May I take the time to explain that the roots do not need sun. It is the leaves that need the sun light for photosynthesis. Our zone is very challenging to even find a cane hardy climbers. That said they would need 6 hours of sun to bloom well and be a robust grower. They would also need support for you to tie them to as roses do not naturally climb. If the arborvitae is east then this is a northern exposure correct. A clematis will mature much quicker than a climbing rose. Roses tend to take a good three years of building root mass before they show what they can do. Here is a photo of Dortman at Cleveland Botanical Garden posted by Karenforroses. At the top of the page you can search previous posts on here. Just type in climbing roses for zone 5. or Hardy climbing roses zone 5. Each time you change the words around you might get some different post. Lots of good ideas in those older posts....See MoreClimbers for North-facing Wall: need help before ARE sale ends!
Comments (9)Aloha: good, strong fragrance, had good disease resistance in my hot dry climate with only an occasional touch of black-spot (ie maybe three spots on the entire plant!), blooms fade after a while from mid-pink with coppery-pink hearts to lavender, IIRC, so not too ugly at that stage, until they go brown... BUT, she stayed more like a tallish shrub than an all-out climber for me; I couldn't see her covering a big wall. Pretty good repeat bloom in full sun with no fertiliser other than garden trimmings and leaves and a pinch of potash. It may not be quite what you're looking for, but dear Mme Alfred Carriere is really a terrific rose for covering a tall, wide, north facing wall in a wide variety of climates (inc here in S. Australia and in cool, permanently rainy Wales in the UK). Divine fragrance. Drops her spent blooms cleanly. Care free once established other than a bit of tidying up of dead/spent bits now and then. Never showed a hint of disease in my climate, some report powdery mildew, but generally reputed to be healthy. Bloomed in part dappled shade in almost continuous flushes pretty much year round here, without fertiliser other than some of her own trimmings left around the base (lazy gardener..) and only an occasional watering in the longest, hottest, driest periods....See MoreVictorian Memory aka Isabella Skinner. Does anybody grow/grown this?
Comments (10)Wonderful to hear the praise for this rose. We have two being grown on for inclusion as a centre piece rose on an arbour in the Canadian Heritage Rose Garden in the Summerland Ornamental Gardens. I hope to have them in place this coming spring. One of the breeders, Dr, Skinner's, sons is a friend of mine and he helped me obtain bud wood that was sent to Corn Hill Nursery in New Brunswick a couple of years ago. I haven't heard yet how well the propagation went with that shipment, but hopefully some took and there will be another source for this rare rose that was almost lost to commerce. Cheers, Rick...See MoreHow to tco David Austins that may be grown as climber or shrub?
Comments (3)In my experience, most of the "can be trained as a climber" comments apply to warmer climates than your zone 6a. Most Austins can get huge in places like California so those kinds of comments are a warning to people without cold winters to indicate this might be an "octopus arm" Austin. I grow all of the Austins you mention and none of them show the slightest inclination of climbing in my zone 5, with the possible exception of Gertrude Jekyll who is reluctantly reaching out its one and only arm toward a nearby fence. If she would just bloom already I'd be happy (5 years and no blooms so far), and making it to 5' and bushy would make me ecstatic. It might be one of those roses that wants to get to a certain height before it blooms and it doesn't rebound from my cold winters fast enough to reach that height. I planted my Tess at the back of a bed and she still hasn't gotten to waist high after about 3 years. The Pilgrim is a little bigger - reliably 3' or so but not much bigger. Both of them bloom now and then, but they're not in ideal sun. Falstaff is the same size but he's in my virtual zone 6, and hasn't survived at all in a typical zone 5 spot. He had some nice surviving cane this winter and I'm hoping for better blooms this time around. So far he's branching out nicely. In answer to your bigger question, any time I get a long cane on any rose I tend to try to train it horizontally to encourage more laterals to grow. That increases the blooming if it will put out canes off those long branches - some roses refuse to do this, like my Crown Princess Margaretha - but most seem to try. The down side of having a few long canes stretch straight up is that you might get blooms only at the highest point of the rose. My Poseidon is like that, and I've had to do some pretty creative pruning and encouraging of the canes horizontally to get more blooms down the length of the plant. Chris at NewFlora used to chime in to recommend strategic pruning early in the season for roses like Poseidon to encourage them to branch out more. Bottom line is that I doubt you'd need to plant these near a substantial support to climb, though in zone 6 you might get more vigorous regrowth after the winter than I do. Pruning and horizontal encouragement helps with more bloom production, but you don't have to do so if you don't want to. It's your choice - while they're young I'd do no more for these than you'd do for any other rose and let the roses tell you if they want to stretch their arms farther than their immediate surroundings. Cynthia...See Moreveilchen
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