Questions about OGRs and Austins in 6b/7a
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Comments (73)jannorcal, thanks for the info on posting pics Several posters: I have tried Austin's, 9 in fact. So I'm not that eager to try more given the great number of other roses I want to get a look at. But I read about an Austin that's a hybrid rugosa plus Noisette. Said to be hardy and looks cute. Mistress Quickly. Not in my old CRL but maybe in a newer edition. Will check it out. And thanks for the many posts. John how did you get those dogs to sit still for that pic. Riku, fabulous. Well, I still think there is a lot of room on the Roses forum for posting about Austin's. And not enough discussion of the more rare roses out there. This spring I planted an Enfant de France. What in May! And it is covered with beautiful Austin style roses. Who knows how it will fare in the years ahead but I didn't read about it here. QR tipped me off on that one and sure enough Pickering had it. And I'm going to post a question about another interesting rose in QR, Mme. Driout. Also missing here....See MoreBest Advice for Gardeners new to OGR's or Austins
Comments (4)I've never looked up my sunset zone before. I see I'm in zone 39, interesting! I think my advice, besides what you've already mentioned, Lynn, would be to give them space. In my lust for more roses I crowded mine together and regret it now. A lot of mine are tied to trellises so they don't cover neighboring roses and they can't become the robust shruby plants they should be. And be patient. I've found that the Austins and OGRs take time to establish and build up they're structure before they really start to strut their stuff. It took at least 3 years and sometimes 5 before they really gave me those big beautiful displays of blooms. Oh, and easy on the pruning. Let them just grow the first few years and don't prune them at all except for dead wood. After that you can shape some but don't whack them back. I thought they needed pruning like my modern roses but they actually don't like being pruned much. When I stopped pruning them like HTs in the spring I found out they bloomed way better for me....See MoreCrape Myrtle Hardy in Zone 6b/7a?
Comments (6)FWIW, the "wild type" Lagerstroemia indica, popular in the South for roughly 200 years, is definitely not hardy enough *to become a tree* in the colder parts of the NoVA (Fairfax and Loudoun counties) suburbs. I remember as a teenager growing up in that area, around the early 90s, they were much less commonly seen. The only true tree sized plant I can remember was in downtown Leesburg. The one in my parents garden near the Ffx/Lnd border would die back in about 1/2 to 1/3rd of winters. It would still manage to bloom that year from new wood, but that sort of thing could cause someone to throw the plant out for dead. So the OP might have once heard from an old-timer that crape myrtles were not hardy in the area. Around this time though, the National Arboretum hybrids involving L. fauriei started becoming popular. These can remain arborescent at temperatures around 0F, as well as having an improve range of colors. I was recently in SE Virginia, though, and their popularity there far exceeds even in the Washington, DC area. It seems like over 1/2 of the planted trees are crape myrtles!...See MoreNewbie Questions about Blackspot Resistance Among OGR Classes
Comments (12)Thank you for bumping up this thread, Marlorena! Hi, Claire. I'm on the other coast, in Portland, Oregon, but it sounds like you and I have had similar success with certain cultivars of old roses. Portland is also the blackspot capitol of the universe. I'm not sure if the disease strains in our two areas are identical, but the roses that you mention as resistant are ones that I also find to be resistant. I can live with the level of blackspot where I'm required to pluck a few leaves, but the only rose that completely defoliates that I tolerate (so far) is the Austin rose Abraham Darby. Like you, my garden is no spray. Period. Teas do get some blackspot here. One of the healthiest for me has been Duchesse de Brabant. Her blooms also stand up fairly well to moisture. Other Teas that have been relatively healthy for me are Madame Joseph Schwartz (the sport of DdB) and Mlle. Franziska Kruger. I just received an Odee Pink from the Antique Rose Emporium. I've grown it before and found it to be pretty healthy, too. Portland's hotter, drier, extended summers are making my Teas happier...even though the gardener is not-so-much happy. If you love Mademoiselle de Sombreuil, I'd try her. I'd protect her when young and perhaps try to keep her canes protected from wind in the winter. Maybe grow her on lattice so she gets good circulation while foliage is growing, but somehow place a screen several inches behind her in the winter. I used to create gardens for clients with all kinds of crazy sites, like high rise balconies. Talk about winter wind! I have a couple of metal trellises I've covered in bubble wrap and have used to block wind. You must stabilize them so they don't fall. I've used umbrellas over roses that dislike soggy blooms or young plants that need shade. My theory is, if you really, really love a rose, there's probably some way to make a home for it. Greenhouse anyone? :-) Bourbons: I have grown the Bourbon Souvenir de la Malmaison, and she was tolerably healthy for me. I think she's worth a try. Her blooms dislike moisture, so growing her under an eave or on a porch can really help. I've had success with Zephirine Drouhin and Honorine de Brabant. Madame Isaac Pereire was a blackspotted nightmare...all three times I grew her. Like banging my head against the wall repeatedly, I thought each time would be different. MIP's fragrance is heavenly, though! Totoro, If you really want her and wish to try her again, I'll bet MAC will grow just fine for you once she's established in the ground. She's one of the toughest and hardiest Noisettes. She's no Marechal Neil or Gloire de Dijon. Mine is planted on a French drain. I know! Really?! Carol...See Morepalustris
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