How big will TEAS Mme. Berkeley & Lombard get in coastal socal?
leezen4u
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Comments (24)They do not look battered to me, Jeri, they're beautiful! After looking at the pictures on HMF that's exactly the form I like in Teas, that sort of crushed, muddled, rumpled look. It's a lot less formal than the modern HTs and more old fashioned and romantic I think. I thought "bull nose" was when they didn't completely open outward forming a very rounded bloom shape with an inward curving center instead of pointed. I don't mean like when a rose balls up and doesn't open at all though. Just like sort of that "blooming onion" shape....See MoreHelp me choose a BIG Tea
Comments (25)I think it's a question of what teas will tolerate being treated as shrubs and kept smaller than they would like to normally grow and which ones won't. I have learned the hard way here, having ignored advice from veteran rosarians and one year pruning and thinning quite hard. Some took it, others didn't. I can (and need to) prune down Rosette Delizy (again, think hedge, not typical rose thinning) just to keep it in its space. It doesn't seem to mind that much. However, when I pruned and thinned it a few years ago, it pouted for a few seasons. Mons. Tillier has not ever recovered from that same prune/thin treatment of a few years ago. I wouldn't say it's in decline...but maybe. I don't have Comtesse du Cayla or Mme. Bravy, so don't know....See MoreFull Bush Shots of Mme. Berkeley?
Comments (9)Thanks for chiming in! I will add that Felicia could easily be grown up against an old, but sturdy play house in the backyard built by my Grandpa if it isn't picked for this particular spot. There is afternoon shade on the playhouse which may also make it a good fit. Judith- It's good to hear from someone who grows both. I'm glad the shrub itself of Mme. Berkeley is worth mentioning. Felicia seems so elegant, but Teas are close to the perfect rose for this area if space isn't an issue. Ingrid - I've heard DdB can be mildew prone here though a good plant is beautiful. I'm unsure of Mme. Antoine Mari's rep here, but it is a rose both of us like. Along the lines of what Jeri said, I wonder if the teas that do well for you -particularly your lovely Miss Atwood and Le Vesuves- just want more heat than is regularly offered here. We did think about a medium pink. Grandmother's Hat and Baronne Prevost were tossed around, but we're leaning towards a larger Tea because of future size limitations. She can probably manage one more very large rose (Tea or otherwise) after this, so we're picking carefully. There would be more room for large shrubs if she didn't pick up two Mutabilis recently. Susan- I'm pretty sure that if we don't put Felicia in this particular space, it will find a spot along a wall dedicated only to Hybrid Musks or against a structure in the long run. That's great that it blooms reliably in the summer for you. Unless some other Tea comes to our attention that we didn't consider, Mme. Berkeley will probably be the pick. Rosette Delizy, Rubens, General Gallieni, Gilbert Nabonnand (We're trying this from a different source after receiving GG instead of GN), Lady Hillingdon, and Adam are already here. Adam is looking like it may not be here for the long run. It's quite the mildew-prone runt. Adam's departure would free up a spot for a Climbing Tea, but I am rooting for it to make a turn around. Jay...See MoreWhich Teas thrive in zone 7 and colder zones?
Comments (21)Like most folks on this thread, I'll have to echo that teas (something separate from Hybrid Teas of course) don't necessarily thrive the further you get from zone 7. It's like anything else - you have to pick and choose among teas, and even then it may depend on local conditions like catsrose says from zone 6. I have had Madame Alfred Carriere for many years, and have planted some other noisettes or tea-noisettes recently (Blush Noisette comes to mind), and so far they've survived fine but are not cane hardy. The problem is that these seem to only bloom on old wood, so while MAC has absolutely massive healthy canes trying to eat my house every year, I've only had one year of bloom out of them in the past 6 years (a very mild winter where most roses had surviving cane). The same goes for many of my Bourbons and Hybrid Perpetuals, including Mme. Isaac Periere. As for teas, I've got some 6-7 year old ones that do fine for me and a few new ones planted. Some teas have died a miserable death (Monsieur Tillier comes to mind) and all of these are in a virtual zone 6 side of my house. The longest surviving ones are Mme. Antoine Mari, Mrs. BR Cant, Maman Cochet, and Duchesse de Brabant. Georgetown Tea was also good until it succumbed to user error. I wouldn't say any of these thrive in the ways expected for warm zone teas, but they make nice modest sized blooming bushes and recover reasonably well from being pruned to the ground even after all the protection I can give them. Bottom line is that zones 7 and to some extent 6 are probably the limits of where teas are likely to survive long-term, but they do need summer heat (we have plenty of that), rather than murky summer gloom like some regions can experience. I'm a bit of an anomaly in zone 5 and I'm fully aware that I'm zone pushing the teas. Nothing like a challenge though. Cynthia...See More
jerijen
10 years agoLee, my Mme. Lombard is still immature, so I can't give you a coastal estimate.
In the Sacramento City Cemetery, I've seen it maybe 5.5-6-ft. tall, and maybe 5-ft wide. I suspect that it may be some taller, late in the year.
In late Fall, in the Sierra foothills, I've seen an old plant, up to maybe 6 ft tall -- tho pretty scrawny.
On one thing I would warn you. Mme. Lombard is a wonderful bloomer, particularly generous in the Fall, Winter, and Early Spring. (My plant is resting, now.)
But as a young plant in particular, she is going to mildew. She will mildew less as she matures, but she is likely always going to mildew to some extent, at some times of the year.
I suspect she will likely always do some of that, here, but I'll forgive her, for the beauty, and the bounty, of the blooms.
Jeri
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