comparing Shumard, Nuttall, and Scarlet oaks in fall
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Oak ID - Shumard or Nuttall?
Comments (13)I guess the consensus is shumard then. So far my scarlet oak and pin oak have developed beautiful red fall color. This tree looks as green as it did all summer - not the slightest hint of fall color yet. Based on what I've read (and been told here by everyone) and what the tree is doing, it does seem to be more lined up with shumard than nuttall. I will probably have to wait for acorns to confirm the ID 100%. There is a mature shumard in one of the arboretums in central NY, with leaves pretty much identical to the first few pictures in the link below. Seeing that tree is what made me doubt the tag/ID on mine. Here is a link that might be useful: Shumard Leaves...See MoreShumard Oaks
Comments (10)Truly don't know about Shumard oak in your area. My neighbor has one here in zone 6A and it has been a boon, often beautiful in the fall, tolerant of our high pH soils, squirrels love it, growth rate medium. Fall color varies with many oaks from year to year, but his yearly can reasonably produce good color. I planted four oaks, a hybrid, a shingle, a bur and a chinkapin. Problem free trees (so far). I would urge you to wait, see what your oaks (most are slow to re-establish) do. Oaks are slow trees, but with lengthy lifespan and good character. hortster...See MoreShumard Oak damage vs Scarlet oak in ice storms
Comments (22)shortleaf2002, that photo looks like the damage I see on many of the maples and other soft wood trees in our area. One of my oaks that is growing with a main leader trunk all the way up had lateral branches, growing off its trunk, broken about 4 feet way from the trunk. Non of them have stripped bark along the part of the branch which was not broken. Also none of the main leader trunk has bark stripped, off like seen on the modified leader trunk in your photo. I am concerned that once all the broken branches of my oaks are pruned back to the break, the side branches will look pretty strange with the short lengths of branches which remain undamaged between where they attached to the trunk and the four feet further-out pruning. My other 30 year old Shumard has a modified leader trunk starting about 8 feet up. On that tree, once the needed massive corrective pruning job is done, this might present a good time to try and shorten one of the leaders so a better main leader can develop. Of course the tree specialist, might tell me it is too late to try such a correction on the tree. I have noticed that all three of my Shumard oaks are most heavily damaged on their north and northeast sides. My Scarlet oak is not protected by any other trees or building on it's north, west or east sides. There is a two story house just 40 feet to the South of this oak, and an enormous cottonless cottonwood tree in the back yard of that neighbor's house, that cottonwood tree is southeast of my Scarlet oak, It does not make sense that the cottonwood or the two story house would have sheltered my Scarlet oak to prevent it from suffering damage. Especially since my 8-9 foot tall Green Giants growing near, in a East west line, but still just south of the Scarlet oak, collected so much ice that their tops bent over toward the north all the way to the ground from the weight of all that ice. That indicates to me that my Scarlet also must have collected as much ice on its north and east sides as my Shumards. Still it's side branches that come off its main leader trunk did not break at all. All around town, I see other shumard oaks with the same type of side branch damage as I have described mine. So that also leads me to think that the damage my shumards suffered was not specific to just my three shumards. Late yesterday afternoon our electricity was restored, and we checked out of the hotel and returned home this morning. Since returning home, I have been busy cleaning out my refrigerator and doing laundry, my DH spent the day at work, and so we have not had time to do anything to the trees yet. Tomorrow it is predicted to rain and Saturday predicted to snow about 2-4 inches. Hopefully, if I am not being unrealist, we can at least do the corrective pruning on my damaged trees by next week, several days prior to Christmas....See MoreIs a Willow Oak/Scarlet Oak hybrid a good idea?
Comments (0)Someone is about to start selling a Quercus phellos x coccinea hybrid. I'm intrigued. Is there a name for this type of hybrid (The way there is a name for Shumard Oaks or Compton)? Does this sound like a good idea? I like the idea of Scarlet Oak's Fall color. I'm not really familiar with Willow Oak, but I'm told it is a good street tree with good form... I'm in a coastal area with sandy glacial soil where Willow Oak is marginal. (Although on paper it shouldn't be)....See Moreghostlyvision
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