Quantity of peat moss for clay soil modification
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Using Peat Moss to amend soil?
Comments (46)I second Wayne's hands-on experience. I have rock-hard alkaline clay, pH 7.7, high in magnesium. The soil is so hard that it broke my large rototiller machine, and a shovel. My husband used a pick-ax to dig holes. 12 years ago I planted 6 rhodo. and azaleas. I brought down my pH by mixing 1/2 peatmoss. I never water those acid-loving plants, they are still alive. This year I used acid-fertilizer FOR THE FIRST TIME to increase the blooms and foliage - they have tons of buds now. I have a large rose garden with 42+ roses. Since roses are fussy, I move them around or dig them up to gargage them in my zone 5a winter. I made many holes: 1) pine mulch mixed with clay gave the fluffiest soil and best root-growth, thus most blooms. Pine bark is dry at first, but once decomposed, it retains water. A rosarian faxed me the ARS paper on field experiment on a large scale that documented dryness of pine bark at first, but once decomposed, it retains water. That's why the large Ball professional potting soil has 45% COMPOSTED fine pine mulch. Another hole with 1/3 peat moss, 1/3 pine park, 1/3 native clay .... Six months later I dug the rose up: the soil is fluffy, but rooth growth is less. Another hole with 1/3 coarse sand, 1/3 pine park, 1/3 clay, then topped with alfalfa meal. Six months later I dug up, and found tons of earthworms. Several holes with 1/2 peat moss and 1/2 clay. I dug the rose up: Root growth is restrained, soil is still compact. Another hole with 1/3 grass clipping, 1/4 peatmoss, 1/4 alfalfa meal, and native clay. This glued up badly, soil became more compact. The grass clipping is innocent, the culprit is the fine particles of peatmoss and alfalfa meal which binded with the high positive charge of magnesium in my clay soil. Alfalfa meal is high in calcium, and calcium precipitates in alkaline clay, making phosphorus unavailable for blooms. Why I do such experiments? I majored in chemistry for 2 years before getting my B.S. in Computer Science. It's fun to use my chemistry background to experiment in the garden. I second everything Wayne wrote. He's right, experience and ACTUAL TESTING over many months is the best teacher....See MoreTop soil, dirt, mulch, manure, peat moss...so confusing! Help!
Comments (5)why do you need to raise the bed... what is you normal soil ... it appears... that you have little or no idea what you want to do .. BUT THAT WONT STOP YOU.. lol ... dont get me wrong.. all the power to ya ... but it MIGHT appear that you are starting at a college level course.. with first grade basics ... i suggest.. you take a 10 by 10 foot bed.. in mother earth .. and grow some things... a nursery bed.. and start gaining some knowledge that way ... and then spend the summer defining what you want.. and need for this raised bed that can cost you a lot of money .... then tell us how big next years bed will be... native soil sunlight hours .. how you plan on raising it ... RRoad timbers... retaining wall ... berm .. etc ... drainage of native soil .. etc.. etc.. etc ... it only took me about 15 years to realize.. you plant this year.. in the bed you made last year .... its a lot less stressful than trying to build a proper bed in a week so you can play in it this year ... all that said... go the the topsoil guy ... have him walk the yard with you ... and get a good mix of topsoil.. it should be blackish .. with some native peat ... screened... and of a fine texture.. when wet... and you try to make a snowball.. it should hold together for a moment or two.. before releasing itself... and it should smell pleasant like a greenhouse ... have him dump a couple yards.. flatten it out.. and plant away... it can be as hard.. or as easy as you want to make it ... ken PS: how do you water on a berm??? it all runs off before it soaks in......See MoreAdding peat moss to soil.
Comments (28)If peat moss is a renewable resource, and the harvesting of it is sustainable, then so would petroleum products and coal, all we need do is provide the right conditions in the peat bogs to change them into petroleum or coal, or even diamonds. I see no conspiracy just people going about their business as usual. The sources sited are suspect because each and everyone has accepted large dollars from the industry to do research which is then owned by the industry which can release or withhold the reports as the industry desires. Have any pharaceutical companies withheld research that tended to show their products either did not quite do what they were supposed to or created more hazards to the users than the studies they released showed? Only when someone with no finanacial ties to the industry (Cleveland Clinic for one) did the truth about that get publicized. Over the years I have noticed that when the proponents of one side of a debate feel they are loosing they resort to personal atracks on the opposition, using terms such as ignorant, smug, arrogant. It is too bad that some cannot stay on subject....See MoreAdding peat moss to garden soil.
Comments (17)Oh boy, I can add fuel to the dead horse fire. "Mosser Lee -- brings your plants to life" purchased at either Lowes or Home Depot. "long fibered SPHAGNUM MOSS" tHIS PACKAGE CONTAINS 100% ORGANIC SPHAGNUM MOSS. uNLIKE PEAT MOSS OR SPHAGNUM PEAT WHICH ARE NON RENEWABLE, DEAD PRODUSTS DUG FROM THE EARTH, mOSSER lEE sPHAGNUM IS A RENEWABLE RESOURCE HARVESTED FROM PERENNIAL LIVE PLANTS THAT GROW IN THE RICH wISCONSIN MARSHLANDS." Ooops, forgot to take off my cap lock. Now that I read it, I guess it's not even 'peat,' which by their definition is dead? We placed this moss in an aquarium with some pearlite and gave it several gallons of distilled water. Various Venus Flytraps, Butterworts, Sundew, and Pitcher Plants were placed still in their own pots with holes, but snuggled down in the moss so they think they are in a bog with the constant wetness. We put on typical aquarium grow lights over a glass top that I forget to turn off most of the time. It took a few months and one day my son pointed out some moss strands that looked kinda green. It's been up over a year now and some of the little butterworts have been overgrown and now they are lumps under thick green moss. I know this isn't soil related, but the sundews are amazing and sooo beautiful, especially with a magnifying glass. They have hundreds of leave hairs, each with a tiny sparking drops of sticky nectar. Yeah, it's a bog garden inside. A couple of times I've left out a banana and apple to rot inside a big cup, and he slaps a top on it and shoo's the fruit flies inside the terrarium so that they land on the plants. The next day the leaf has curled up over them. It spoils the looks of it for a little while, but ya know, they gotta eat. The fruit then goes outside to the compost pile....See Moregardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
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