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Zepherine Drouhin - do you get repeat? Do you deadhead?

irish_rose_grower

17 years ago

I'm trying desperately to get my 3 yr olds to rebloom. I've heard that some people get more blooms after the spring flush. I haven't and am wondering what I can do to help it along?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Maureen

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User
17 years ago
rare repeat for us like 2 or 3 blooms in august or aseptember but never more than that if that I always consider it to be a once bloomer here.
zack_lau z6 CT ARS Consulting Rosarian
17 years ago
We used to get a repeat until we started having problems with rose midge. ZD is now relocated next to a neighbor's chain link fence--who is delighted to have roses growing on her property.
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kaye
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My two have been showing scattered blooms since the spring flush. I always get a decent repeat in the fall, too. I take extra care to feed and water her as she seems to respond by new growth and more flowers. As to deadheading..I do what I can reach! The first few years were not nearly as productive as she is now.
irish_rose_grower
Original Author
17 years ago
Thanks everyone. I deadheaded this one really good this year, I'm hoping if I water well and keep fertilizing throughout the summer that I might get nice fall flush. Last year I got like 5-10 blooms max in the fall.
cecilia_md7a
17 years ago
I get very little repeat from my ZD, although the spring flush is just gorgeous. Some folks say that there are some clones of ZD that just aren't as good rebloomers (mine is from J&P). Others swear that it reblooms better in cooler climates than ours.
hemnancy
17 years ago
ZD is my earliest and best bloomer every year at 7 yrs. The first flush is over but some canes have some new flowers. Here she will just take a short breather and continue blooming until frost and beyond. Maybe some of my newer climbers will give her a run for the money in a few years.
patricianat
17 years ago
It took my ZD four years to settle in and give me good repeat. In fact, it might have been 2-3 years before I got more than one bloom per season. Subsequently it has been a great performer for repeat.
pagan
17 years ago
Yes and Yes!
jody
17 years ago
Yes and Yes. Food and water. Climber require heavy feeding to keep on blooming.
newyorkrita
17 years ago
I was just thinking about the fact that my Zepherine Drouhin did not have fall blooms last year. Actually, I thought that was odd because it was the second year I had her in my garden and the first year I did have some fall bloom. It did move her last spring and I think the new spot is not as good as the old. If I can get an old mostly dead Rose of Sharon dug out this spring I will move the Zepherine Drouhin were the Rose of Sharon is as it is a good spot with all day sun.
winsomegardener
16 years ago
Hi all,

This is my first post after many months of perusing these boards. I am fairly new to gardening but fell in love with the "zeffyrose" pix I saw here last year.

My Zepherine Drouhin roses (2 plants)are in their 2nd year, planted in a very sunny spot next to my eyesore of a garage. After a spectacular spring display (at least 150 blooms between the two) heavy rains have pulled many of the canes from the trellises they were twist-tied up to. I am wondering what to do now as there are still many buds on each and the canes seem pretty rigid. Should I just leave well enough alone and try to wait until next spring to resecure it all more tightly or should I try to do it now? Would a large obelisk be better for training this vigorous grower? Any suggestions/help would be appreciated.

W.G.
anntn6b
16 years ago
I do get repeats; I don't deadhead. Mine's from Heirloom.

W.G. you're going to have to do the retying now, because next year will be too late. The canes you're going to be retying are good for many years of rebloom and that's why you may need to move them as much as you can, tie securely, wait a week or so, then nudge them a bit closer to what you want them to do.
winsomegardener
16 years ago
Thanks for the info, anntn6b. I will be out there this weekend with my hubby trying not to break any of the canes as I "gently" re-tie them. One more question for you if you wouldn't mind: there are many canes coming out of each plant; am I supposed to be cutting some down to the base of the plant to control the massive size of it? I bought this particular rose b/c I thought it was supposed to be a smaller, more manageable climber, but it seems to be really happy in the spot I have it in!! Again, I appreciate your input. Thanks for taking the time to read and respond.
anntn6b
16 years ago
Since you have an embarassment of riches (canes) you can pick and choose which to train. So you'll pick the ones that are 1) going in the direction you want AND 2) are the newer canes- green rather than yellow green (the yellow green that the stem is trying to decide to abandon) and healthy green rather than damaged by abrasion by other canes.
There are no easy answers- but what you're trying to do is to make the best decisions given your conditions. And remember that the next canes are going to want to grow to the direction that has the most light (usually south) so choosing a few north going canes may be an opportunity to fill in that side of the structure.
winsomegardener
16 years ago
anntn6b, lots of useful information. You've helped me better understand how to proceed. Thanks again.

W.G.

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