One more time: your best no spray roses (no singles or OGRs)
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What class of OGR is best for alkaline clay soil?
Comments (29)regardless of what the stats say on the soil maps, Strawbs, I can definately say my soil is alkaline - not as much as yours but rhodies and azaleas are a distant memory from my northern childhood - our black silty fen soil is top class for cabbages, celery and onions and sugar beet. Anyhow, unfortunately, I am not much of a guide to soil ph and roses since this is an issue which rarely comes up - at least not as much as mildew, rust or blackspot. The only dodgy roses (chlorotic, needing regular sequestrene) I grow have had too close a brush with rugosas - and one of my only Austins, Wild Edric is definately a pale and pasty specimen....although Compte de Champagne comes awfully close and I couldn't say what its parentage is. Annoying, as the rugosas are generally happy with well drained, sandy soil (I am on calcareous grassland. Of course, I do not have the extremes of temperature that you have so I have been able to adopt a blase attitude to ph as it is practically impossible to actually kill a rose here. Nonetheless, not dying is emphatically not the same as thriving - there are roses which are doing considerably better than others. I did expect china roses would be a bit feeble but have surprised me with their general willingness to grow and bloom - Sophie's Perpetual, Mutabilis and Sanguinea have been stars. Even more surprising, the infamous bourbons do well for me too. I would have to say that the majority of my roses are species or close hybrids although I have a weakness for Harkness floribundas. I am incredibly fortunate in that Beales and Trevor White (2 out of 3 old rose growers in the UK) along with Harkness and Legrice are based in East Anglia with similar soil and climate conditions as myself....and fervently believe that this conflation of conditions has a whopping bearing on the subsequent health of the rose once it is planted in my garden so I think you are right, Strawbs, in pondering specific nursery circumstances before considering buying from them....See Morebest cutting, fragrant ogr roses for pnw
Comments (39)Trolley Molly wrote-"I also don't spray for black spot or anything else, preferring to take the same tough love approach with my roses as I do with all my other plants. "Get over your black spot or die, it's all the same to me." They mostly get over it." My thoughts exactly. I don't pay any attention foliage problems, as long as the plant grows and blooms. Souvenir de la Malmaison has turned out to be a good bloomer, it has blooms right now when most don't. My Just Joey was either a poor plant ($1 clearance at Fred Meyer) or planted in a bad spot because it has not grown much. I was going to buy Tamora but went to the nursery and it had such terrible thorns I ended up getting Evelyn, Heritage, and Apricot Nectar instead. I kind of wish I had gotten Tamora anyway though because I like peachy colors. I got Westerland bareroot this year but it suffered dieback in the hot spells and is very small. I planted it in the ground anyway so I hope it makes it. I may dig up Edith Schurr again as she looks like she is declining, no leaves and only 5" of stem left. My Buck rose Distant Drums is a really good rose for cutting, usually covered with blooms, and fairly long stems. I like the buff centers on magenta flowers, and the peculiar scent, but some don't- my MIL. The rosesant forum has great Buck rose photos now, especially Carefree Beauty, loaded with blooms for an extended bloom time. My Knockout rose also blooms like that, in a neglected area of the yard where it doesn't even get watered in summer....See MoreRoses Root Every Single Time!
Comments (18)Hey triple b: remember, I run that 11 x 64w fluorescent bank during the winter, downstairs. This acts like a mild heating element (704 w total). Since I need to heat my house in the winter, the 704w from the fluorescent bank heats my house, and my furnace works less, so really the electricity for the lamps is free, because my furnace costs go down. Also the bright light is very good for your mood, and if you have Seasonal Affective Disorder, you won't need to buy any antidepressants, so the lights actually SAVE money. Sativa. :)...See MoreIs there a best time to spray bug killer in the gardens?
Comments (7)Well said, Carol. I didn't have time to say more yesterday. We don't own any garden chemicals but the yard is full of beautiful healthy plants. A few that didn't do well have been replaced. It's much easier and safer to work with nature than try to control it. Don't discount the work force out there - lizards, birds, toads, frogs, skinks, and all of the beneficials capable of flight, devoting their lives to keeping your plants free of pests. I might also encourage you to plant with nature in mind, meaning avoiding monocultures like hedges, veggies all in one place, multiple 'foundation shrubs' of a single species, NOT doing things that invite problems or constitute a great loss in one area if something is attacked. Generally, ornamental plants sited properly so they are healthy, in both regard to sun exposure and soil fertlity/moisture/texture, are unlikely to be killed by pest invasion, though maybe occasionally visited. And just some common sense. For example, your $1.19 packet of seeds sprouted a melon vine. Spending more money on a chemical to rid them of some pest that might show up is starting to defeat the purpose of these 'free' melons. And now they're no different than the store-bought ones. ...and you're sweaty, mosquito-bitten, a little more toxic stuff in your yard, and your plant may or may not survive. Those who must have a harvest to survive are going to need a different plan, but for casually landscaping your yard or trying your hand at weekend veggies, this is my opinion on things....See Moreseil zone 6b MI
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