Thanks Seil :-) I wonder though if Julia Child has a more consistent size across climates, it's small to medium down here. Whereas Buck roses change--according to the Buck rose website Carefree Beauty is a small shrub and ARE in TX says medium to large?? I should post to the general forum I think.

I have both. There are only slight differences between mine. Westerland seems to be more vigorous in that it throws bigger canes and wants to take over more real estate. However, there is no difference in the vigor of blooms--both flower repeatedly in huge clusters. Autumn Sunset's colors are yellow with tinge of peach. Westerland is more orange and bright. Westerland is more attention-getting and Autumn Sunset blends in with other roses' colors better. So I guess it depends on where your rose is going to be located. If you have a lot of room 10' x 10' and want a rich bright color, then pick Westerland. If you don't have as much room and you need a softer color next to other roses, then choose Autumn Sunset. I think they both have a good fragrance.

Here in California's mild climate, Westerland is a magnificent, vigorous, and healthy climber. I have mine tucked away on a distant fence. It gets a pruning and grooming once a year and otherwise I neglect it. It rewards this careless treatment with a wonderful spring display and light occasional repeat. I would not hesitate to recommend it to any gardener in a climate similar to mine. However, I have heard that while it will survive and bloom in a cold winter climate, it remains a smaller shrub and never becomes a climber. I am passing along hearsay, since I have never grown it in a cold-winter climate myself. As for Autumn Sunset, I planted it right next to Westerland, just as you did. I thought the color echo very clever. Great minds think alike, at least some of the time! However I found it to be a disappointment. It never attained the robustness of its next door neighbor. After several years I removed it, and have since replaced it with a plum tree called Coe's Golden Drop. Rosefolly

I'd probably have to second Harold on Scent from Above. I do have it and I like it, but I don't love it. In it's defense, I have it sited as a backdrop to a 'Briotti' red horsechestnut, probably not the best possible situation. It's in it's 3rd year and is slowly improving so I haven't given up on it. I do like the bloom but the foliage is a bit prone. Believe it or not my first choice was Autumn Sunset which they didn't have :-)