Andrea , goldflame is absolutely lovely . I've never grown autumn sunset . But my goldflame was so vigorous and huge it smothered blossomtime, that was4 ft away. I even tried to keep up with chopping back stems and keeping it to 4 stems but lost that quickly. It took about 3 years to get that big though.

Terrible photo but can you see the 6 ft ladder under there ? And in between the bush to the right is my poor blossomtime:(

it is such a beautiful honeysuckle but I wanted to show you just how big it gets. You may not ever see your arbor again !

Oh I just saw you said the arch will go over a swing. I have a Similar set up, it's a small pergola. That would work if that's more what you are talking about

Sorry for going off topic.

Aw smithdale, I'm so sorry for your loss . I know how heartbreaking that is ! I know it hurts , but don't harden your heart forever to them. You were made to love and them to give you that unconditional love back, something dogs can do but us humans can struggle with ! Hugs to you !! :)

Thank you.

Can't be certain from distance photos were taken from but it looks like Lilyfinch may have been growing the vigorous Lonicera periclymenum * instead of the comparatively shrubby L. x heckrottii (of which 'Gold Flame' is a particular selection). But probably in either case both kinds would have been too large growing for the space shown.

Likewise to make your honeysuckle + Autumn Sunset scheme work, yes, you will absolutely have to keep up with the pruning and training. Or you will soon have a mess.

And the support being large and heavy enough for the kinds of climbers chosen is always critical. Here I repeatedly see attempts to house 20 ft. or more woody climbers in situations that are about right for sweet peas.

*At least one form of which I have seen presented repeatedly on the local market as 'Gold Flame' in the past

Embothrium , I'm not sure , but mine came from brushwood nursery and still had the tag in the soil ( saying heckrottii ) . Either way I accidentally killed it . I dug it up in Jan and meant to replant it but didn't . So now I need another monster lol .

I planted a one gallon Autumn Sunset on one side of an arbor last spring and a Westerland on the other side. By November they had both reached the top of their side of the arbor...I wasn't expecting that rapid of growth the first year and might be in trouble long term. I thought the two would look nice together, but I will probably need to move one to a different spot and let the other go across the top of the arbor and down the other side instead of one on each side meeting in the middle. The only honeysuckle I grow is Blanche Sandman (Lonicera Sempervirens). I put it on an old iron headboard several years ago as a "rail" next to steps leading from side yard to our pool. I haven't been able to see that headboard since the first year even with frequent pruning and now the honeysuckle stretches up and around part of my deck railing above those stairs. I think my honeysuckle would smother even a vigorous rose, but I have no experience with your honeysuckle variety....it may be more tame than mine.

Autumn Sunset in July (after 3 months in the ground):

and in November:

Westerland in November on the other side of the arbor:

Smithdale, I'm so sorry to hear of your loss, too! We lost our senior German Shepherd to hip dysplasia last spring. It took several months to get to a place where we felt ready, but we did adopt a sweet hound mix who is a joy and has helped to heal our hearts.

Lilyfinch.....that is very good information and pictures. Thank you! Your Goldflame is beautiful, even if it did engulf Blossomtime :) I have a small arbor that's very similar to yours. Maybe two Autumn Sunsets and a Goldflame are too much for even that!

One question for you: does your Goldflame suffer with powdery mildew? I am reading reports of this from others who've grown it

smithdale....I'm so sorry you lost your dog. 19 1/2 years! What a long and wonderful life he had. and dog-reminiscences are never off topic:)

Embothrium....I've never grown lonicera before...partly because I've heard how they can become unruly. If Lonicera periclymenum even more vigorous I'm in trouble because I just bought 3 periclymenum from Brushwood: Graham Thomas, Munster, and serotina Florida. I do have a relatively large property, thankfully. But I may have to rethink growing them on structures. What's the best way to grow them?

pat_bamaz7....your experience with Autumn Sunset echoes what I've read: it's quite vigorous. If I do decide to grow the Goldflame with the Autumn Sunset, I'll just do one on each side. I originally planned to plant two Autumn Sunsets AND the Goldflame! oh dear...

I've grown several types of L. periclymenum here in the PNW and in a rather small garden. They are very manageable but do require annual pruning to keep size in check........but then most perennial vines benefit from annual pruning - even severe annual pruning - to keep them tidy, remove dead growth and to control size.

They are pretty hard to beat for an extended bloom period, wonderful fragrance and attraction for our resident hummingbirds!

Here's a picture of the arbor I was thinking of using...

It's approx 10 feet tall and 12 feet wide

gardengal...that's great to hear! I have no problem with an annual pruning. I'm really looking forward to the scent and the hummingbirds!

@Rosylady (PNW zone 8), I'm wondering how Autumn Sunset is doing for you. I meant to plant Teasing Georgia today and accidentally planted Autumn sunset instead and really don't want to dig it up. I know we are in a different Zone but just looking for some feedback on this Rose as few grow it. They should both look good ,but I prefer a smaller rose that I could use on a tuteur of sorts.

vaporvac.....Autumn Sunset has done really well for me. I planted two small plants I got from HCR two seasons ago and they each have 2-3 canes that are about 8 feet tall. The plants I have gotten from HCR are always soooooo small, literally barely rooted cuttings! In my garden, cutting take FOREVER to get going, even with irrigation and fertilizer. I anticipate continued good things from Autumn Sunset as it continues to slowly mature. It's in a somewhat shady location, but still flowers in regular flushes late into the season (has a new batch of buds right now). It's very healthy too. Unfortunately I haven't taken any pictures of it this summer....it's still in a kind of awkward looking phase. But the sprays of flowers are so, so pretty! I am happy to send you some cuttings if you want to try it.

Thank you for these comments and offer of cuttings. I actually just planted a nice sized plant that I grew from a cutting this summer. I confused the two pots and planted ASunset instead of Teasing Georgia, as intended. I'll plant TG in another spot, but was hoping to leave AS where I accidentally planted it. Is there any hope that it could be grown as a free-standing bush or at least trained around tuteurs similar to yours?

I also have another difficulty as I'm trying to ID my Golden Olymp cuttings as some lost their tags and I just want to make sure they are NOT ASunset, if that make any sense at all. I'm really looking for more ID sort of pictures that show the leaves, canes and thorns of AS.

How has it done with BS? Do you spray for that? It's very easy to root, btw!!! I hope it overwinters. I fell in love with pictures of this rose and it seems few grow it.

I have had an Autumn Sunset for over 6 years. No winter protection, usually has at least stems of 1' that pull through the winter. No Blackspot Ever! Beautiful shiny leaves all summer. It reaches about 8' every July, and it's sweetly fragrant. It is one of my favorites for dependable beauty. It is a free-standing graceful bush of 4-5 stems.

That's great to hear, Sunny! I adore the unusual foliage also!