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What a lovely rose. Sorry I can't help identify it.

Kate

It's difficult to make the statement that your rose IS Cecile Brunner. It MIGHT be, but climate makes an enormous difference in how a rose looks and performs. There are elements about it which indicate it COULD be Cecile, a mutation of it or at least something along similar breeding lines. It might even be possible it's a seedling of Cecile. But, there are also things about it which seem just enough off to prevent being able so say, "yes, this IS Cecile". Being able to grow your rose beside one known to be Cecile would definitely help as that would eliminate the climatic differences. The only other way is to have your rose genetically tested against a known Cecile to check for any DNA differences. Check out the photos on Help Me Find-Roses at the link below and you'll understand what I mean. I agree with Kate, whatever it is, it's a beautiful rose! Good luck! Kim

Here is a link that might be useful: Cecile Brunner on Help Me Find-Roses

Yes. It's lovely, but no -- like Roseseek, I can't say that this is Mlle. Cecile Brunner. (Or, that it is not!)

But I do think it is beautiful!

The open flowers do not look right to me for Cecile Brunner, and I have seen it in hot, humid tropical climates throughout the world, where it always seems to look the same as it does here. So I'm thinking it's something else, but not something I recognize off hand.

http://www.kasetporpeang.com/forums/index.php?topic=62120.416

This might help the experts.

It reminds me a bit of my "Bermuda Spice", but I don't think that's it. The overall plant -- habit and size -- makes me think of "Smith's Parish", but again, that's not it. But perhaps it's something along those lines -- a Tea-Scented China that didn't have Bourbon or Noisette ancestry, as did most of the Teas bred in Europe. Only a few original Tea-Scented Chinas made it from China to Europe, and I'd bet that there were quite a few others that remained -- as pass-along plants, or begat seedlings -- in the East.

Then again, 'Cels Multiflora' also comes to mind as I look at these pics.

'Cecile Brunner' is very Tea-like, but it seems more cluster-flowering than the photos posted here suggest.

:-)

~Christopher

What got my attention was the size of the blooms. From the CBs I've grown on the Gulf Coast and up her in zone 6/7 CB's blooms aren't that large.

Let me throw out the possibility of New Dawn or a close relative.

I think 'Dead Elephant Pond' is a terrific name for a rose.

khundhong - can you measure the diameter of the blooms? That would be very helpful. Looks and sounds like a marvelous rose.

Jackie

Yes. The diameter of the blooms would be very helpful.
And, yes. This DOES make me think of 'Cels Multiflora.'

I'll second the suggestion of New Dawn. It does look like it to me. I wish we knew how large the blooms actually are, but this is an old thread so we may never get the information on their size. Diane

Too delicate for 'New Dawn', and wrong habit, foliage.

Well, I grew several New Dawn over a number of years, and I think it looks as much like New Dawn as anything else that's been suggested. Diane

I'd agree that it's not CB. My first thought on seeing the first photo was 'New Dawn', but agree that the foliage is not at all right for that rose. Unfortunately, I don't have a good suggestion for what it is.

Does 'Catherine Mermet' ever get that big?

:-)

~Christopher

Not CM