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Brand New 2007 Toro GT 300-15 Classic - $4200

16 years ago

Is $4200 a good price (includes 42" deck).

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metal
16 years ago
Toro says a new one books at a little over $4300, so you aren't getting much of a "deal." If you like that type of tractor, go for it, but they are very antiquated in design and user friendliness. I would think you could get a much better tractor with way better features that doesn't look like it belongs in the seventies for that kind of money. JMHO.
johndeere
16 years ago
The Wheel Horse guys would probably say its a good deal.My self I would take a close look at a Cub Cadet 2500 series but thats just me.
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chambley4
Original Author
16 years ago
The $4399 price on the Toro website is for the tractor only - not the deck. The desk is about $600 more.

Hence, $4200 seems like a good deal.
metal
16 years ago
Like johndeere said, if you are a wheelhorse guy go for it. Personally, I am a fan of the newer style tractors.
cobhonfor
16 years ago
Neat tractor, like a classic car, fun to own and drive, but if I am buying a "daily driver", I would want something newer, with more amenities.

For that kind of money, you can get a really nice mower that would make better time when working.
larso1
16 years ago
For that kind of money, it is incredible what kind of slightly used serious garden tractor you can get, if accessible in your area. I'm talking about maybe a low-hour JD 445 or 425 (possibly even a 455 diesel) with all the bells and whistles. It's comfortably big and impressive, and has power steering and a hydraulics system, and 3-pt attachments available. Man I'd like to have one of those in my garage. But then, that's just me.

Bill
john_wa
16 years ago
I don't know where you live but here's a pretty nice used Wheel Horse B-115 for $300.

Here is a link that might be useful: Wheel Horse
deerslayer
16 years ago
The 300 Classic (315-8) can be compared to a late 60s or early 70s muscle car. In both cases, the design was very exciting for its time. However, modern tractors and performance cars are much better in many ways.

IMO, the old designs are more fun to operatate. Also, the old tractors have proven that they'll deliver service for many years. It really depends on what you like.

Here's a picture of my 1995 312-8:

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The 2007 300 Classic looks very similar.

-Deerslayer
chambley4
Original Author
16 years ago
Deerslayer:

I grew up on a Farmall H.

I just like the "old" design and feel of the Classic.

Do you have that "clevis hitch" (sleeve hitch) for your tractor?
deerslayer
16 years ago
"Do you have that "clevis hitch" (sleeve hitch) for your tractor?"

No, I don't have one. I pull a cart, a plug aerator, and a broadcast spreader. The standard pin hitch works fine with those attachments.

-Deerslayer
chambley4
Original Author
16 years ago
Mr. Deerslayer:

I bought my 2007 315-8 today and it gets delivered on the 22nd.

On the way, I stopped at Sears to ponder. I walked in and walked out - no comparison.

Do you always run yours at full throttle? Should I change the oil after the first 5 hours?
metal
16 years ago
You can't compare a Craftsman to something you pay over $4,200 for. Go to a John Deere Dealer and compare it to an X320 (retails for under $4,000). You might notice the differences then (in the X's favor though).
chambley4
Original Author
16 years ago
I don't like John Deere although their key chains are nice.
leeave96
16 years ago
Chambley4,

You have just bought one of the BEST garden tractors of all time. They are NOT outdated as you will find when you begin to use yours. You will find your Wheelhorse very comfortable to ride and a pleasure to use. When the going get's tough - like you need to pull a log or push some very heavy gravel or dirt, no need to wonder if you are going to break something. My Dad has a Simplicity Prestige "garden tractor". It is a fine machine, but my Wheelhorse tractor is much more heavy duty and will out last this Simplicity. You will like the 8-speed tranny and get use to quickly shifting gears to get around.

As to running it, yes you want to run your tractor at full throttle when working. The engine is air cooled and the max torque is just shy of full throttle, so when you encounter some high grass and the engine lugs down - it does so in the max torque range. Cooling is also better at full throttle and running full throttle will also help keep your battery charged.

Keep your eye on used equipment. Most all of the Wheelhorse garden tractor attachments will fit your tractor, going back to 1974ish and earlier on some items. Can't say that about those expensive "modern" tractors.

If you find traction a problem, fit your rims with ag tires and some wheel weights. You will have what amounts to a red garden tractor looking jeep. BTW, the ag's will not mess-up your lawn.

Lastly, there is a wheelhorse garden tractor group over on yahoo where you can get some great advice about maintaining and using your new machine.

All the best!
The other Bill
chambley4
Original Author
16 years ago
Bill:

Thank you!
deerslayer
16 years ago
I can't add much to leeave96's message...it's all good.

My owner's manual (1995) says to perform the first oil change between 5 and 10 hours. I suggest that you follow the recommendation in your manual.

I always run my tractor at full throttle during the spring, summer, and fall. Full throttle operation is necessary for proper cooling. When I'm blading snow during the winter, I sometimes operate at less than full throttle because cooling isn't an issue in NE Illinois during the winter.

Metal made a good point. Comparing a WH to a Craftsman without adjusting for price isn't fair. It's similar to comparing a Mercedes to a Chevy without a price adjustment.

Enjoy your new tractor!!! I absolutely love my Wheel Horse!

-Deerslayer
User
16 years ago
"You can't compare a Craftsman to something you pay over $4,200 for. Go to a John Deere Dealer and compare it to an X320 (retails for under $4,000). You might notice the differences then (in the X's favor though)".

The Wheelhorse weighs over 100 pounds more without the mowing deck than the JD X320 with deck. That pretty much says it all.

IMO the Wheelhorse is a tractor while the X320 is a lawn tractor.
deerslayer
16 years ago
"The Wheelhorse weighs over 100 pounds more without the mowing deck than the JD X320 with deck. That pretty much says it all."

Yes, cast iron and steel weighs more than aluminum and plastic.

-Deerslayer
sadixon49
16 years ago
Of course the 315-8 is a Garden Tractor, while the X320 is a Lawn Tractor.
wheely_boy
16 years ago
Nice tractor. Classic stands for wide turn radius and difficult on and off. When compared to a machine that is designed for lawn mowing, like a Simplicity Regent or Broodmoore, it doesn't fair well. The Wheelhorse is a well established, bullet proof design that should last a lifetime.
chambley4
Original Author
16 years ago
Re: "Classic stands for wide turn radius and difficult on and off"

That's ok with me. I'd rather look like a man on a tractor than a mama's boy on a toy.
metal
16 years ago
"I'd rather look like a man on a tractor than a mama's boy on a toy."
Oh, if it were only that easy. I hope the tractor works for you.
jimtnc
16 years ago
Posted by chambley4 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 5, 08 at 11:12
"I don't like John Deere although their key chains are nice."

LOL!! This one back atcha johndeere.
mith
16 years ago
Good price for a great machine. You wont find anything that matches its ruggedness for the price.

I think throttle position can be set based on the job. You need to run wide open for mowing to keep the mower speed up. But you can run low throttle for just driving IMO.
I use my 312 for backhoe and loader work, and it can sit all day at half throttle. No problems yet.
Someone did an experiment a while back and found the engine temp was not drastically increased by letting the engine idle for long periods.

Check out the wheelhorse forum in the link

Here is a link that might be useful: WheelHorse forum
chambley4
Original Author
16 years ago
The soon-to-be ex wife is wondering why I've been so giddy as of late.

Today she wanted her first child support payment, albeit the child is still living with me and under my care!

I bought the 315-8, in part, to relieve myself of the stress from the divorce. I'm a farm boy and she's a city girl (major mistake). She thinks guys that like tractors are losers while guys that do not know how to change a tire are winners. I tend to differ.

Anyhow, the brand new 2007 315-8 will be delivered on Saturday, March 22nd. I'm going to the John Deere dealer this weekend to get a JD key chain for the Wheelhorse.

That's the least I can do to make myself whole while I'm driving a machine of iron instead of a green pile of ego.
larso1
16 years ago
"The soon-to-be ex wife is wondering why I've been so giddy as of late.

Today she wanted her first child support payment, albeit the child is still living with me and under my care!"

OK, that explains alot. I might even let you slide for dissing the green company and their excellent lawn/garden tractors.

Bill
johndeere
16 years ago
Green pile of Ego?I think you got up on your High WheelHorse.Enjoy the ride however nice Toro.Since you got the kids maybe she should be paying child support to you?Good luck.
treed
16 years ago
I happen to have both the JD X320 and a Wheel Horse 314-8, 1999 vintage. Both are fine tractors. But the X320 is more of a mower and will probably mow circles around the WH. But, the Wheel Horse is an awesome machine, more heavier built, more durable, more stout feeling than the X320. I also have a 1979 WH C-141 Automatic and the deck and the snow plow will fit both my 1979 and my 1999 Wheel Horses. I think you got a great deal and a very nice tractor. Enjoy it, maintain it, and it will last you a lifetime.

BTW, I second Mith's post that you try this site out:

Here is a link that might be useful: Wheel Horse Forum
deerslayer
16 years ago
"Someone did an experiment a while back and found the engine temp was not drastically increased by letting the engine idle for long periods."

Mith, the throttle question is always contentious. A year or so ago, I emailed Kohler regarding throttle operation and the engineer that responded recommended full throttle operation at all times. He said that it was important for cooling. BTW, I posted the response on the "other" forum. Evidently, the people there don't believe the engineers that designed their engines.

I don't think that idling under no load is a reasonable test. Obviously, most engines can idle under no load without damage. Mowing a lawn at idle or at half throttle is an entirely different matter. I bet that engine temps would rise to a critical level in either case.

-Deerslayer
metal
16 years ago
Another point is that when you have your tractor at "full throttle," it is actually not maxed out, it is merely at the governed rpm, which is where it is designed to be used at.
mith
16 years ago
Deerslayer, I tend to believe the information that is more convenient to me. I have never come across an engine that has broken as a result of overheating. Keep the fins clean, and the oil fun and I think it will be fine.
Regardless of what the Kohler tech says. I can only comment based on my experience, and that of others.
I think in the test he measured the temperature after mowing at full throttle, then leaving it to idle, then mowing it 3/4 throttle. All were similar.

Using the backhoe I run at half throttle or so, and the engine is running at full capacity (nearly stalling on occasion). I have only used it for 2-3 hours continuously so far, and no problems in that time.

My experience, yours may vary....
I only run full throttle when I need to, I dont open it up for the sake of cooling.
User
16 years ago
There are oil temperature and cylinder head temperature gauges which are more accurate indicators than "seat of the pants feelings or "information that is more convenient to me".

What would an engineer at one of the most eminent small engine companies know when they designed the powerplant and had service and failure field data from millions upon millions of their small engines in numerous applications.
mith
16 years ago
Luckily the person who's test I read measured the head temperature, so my thoughts are based on fact.
No need to be sarcastic....

Kohler engines are also used in applications where they dont run at full governed rpm, a welder/generator strikes me as one. Surely the Kohler techs would make sure the engine could perform in that situation.
At no point in the manual does it say I need to run full rpm when under load.
User
16 years ago
mith,

Not sarcastic at all... you said "regardless of what the Kohler tech says. I can only comment based on my experience, and that of others" and I submitted that the Kohler tech is in a position to observe a far larger sampling than your test and your experience. You dismissed, out of hand and in general, the specific instructions of a tech/engineer whose job it is to make accurate tech information available to the end users of its products.

So, regardless of what you say I accept what the Kohler tech says... no offense.

The manuals for the GT/LT/YT tractors I've owned had specific instructions to use FULL THROTTLE whenever an attachment or accessory was engaged.

My GT has a Kohler Command CH18s and an oil temp gauge. I can leave it idling all day long and the temp gauge doesn't rise above the low limit peg. After 10 minutes mowing it is at the mid green zone, about 2/3 across the gauge.

I wasn't commenting on welder/generators because this is the tractor forum, and this thread is about tractors, but now that you mention it, every generator I own or have owned gave me no choice but full throttle (as determined by the governor) or off. I am aware of generators than can, and do, vary their speed according to load but I have not owned one.
exmark_wrench
16 years ago
Generators and welders are different as they tend to have an idle down feature. In the case of a gen, most of them use an inductive type pickup that when it senses a power draw, allows the engine to reach high speed.

As far as running a partial throttle I would only recommend it for times where your mower/tractor are sitting still. Hydro pumps, electric clutches, etc are designed to be run at full throttle (usually governed at 3600 rpm) so any lower speeds not only will reduce efficiancy, but can also harm some parts (such as the clutch).

The GT300 series is likely the most "heavy duty" constucted unit as any other new tractor out there. And yes, they weigh a bunch. They are almost exact copies of the older models. The GT2000 series are, sadly, MTD units.

If you want a heavy duty, hard core old school tractor then the GT300 is a fine choice. It will easily outlast the engine that's in it. Otherwise for pure mowing I would have suggested a used, commercial Toro zero turn for that price range.
deerslayer
16 years ago
Below is the response from Kohler that I mentioned earlier. It's dated Mon 7/17/2006.

-Deerslayer

Thank you for contacting the Kohler Company. Yes, please run the engine at full throttle. It is an air-cooled engine and the faster the engine is rotating, the more airflow over the cooling fins. Also, there is less time for the engine to detonate at full throttle.

Owner's Manual
http://www.kohlerengines.com/common/resources/tp_2200_f.pdf

Service Manual
http://www.kohlerengines.com/common/resources/tp_2203_a.pdf

For parts and service, contact a Kohler Dealer in your area. Go to www.kohlerengines.com and select "dealer locator" in the left hand column.

Sincerely,
Smith Theiler
Kohler Engines
smith.theiler@kohler.com
rglbk
16 years ago
Where di you buy this TORO 315-8 Garden Tractor ?

Thanks, Bob

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