Perhaps this is on point?:

I have been so looking forward to these products being on the market...and am thrilled that the first in the the line, Good Morning Roses is now available. I plan on using these products on all my roses but have a couple of questions. So I thought that this just might be the place to ask.

First off... in reference to the fertilizers, if someone were to ask you what makes this product different that the other products available on the market what would you say? Products such as Mills Magic Mix or Rose Tone? Also with their use will the supplemental water needs of my roses be reduced?

I've also heard lots of good stuff about products containing Nutrol & Prudent (I'm not sure if those are their exact names), do your formulas contain these products?

I am also very interested in your natural fungus control product. When will pricing be available for this product? Bulk prices? Also when will this product be available? Also what kind of application rate is required? While I'm at it let me ask the same questions about you soon to be available product for Japanese beetles. How soon, how much and what kind of application rate?

Thanks for any and all info!

Carole
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Naturally, I'm very interested to hear when these products will be available in Europe. I remember that Paul said they will be released in the U.S. initially but they hope to have them in the UK and the EU within a year. But as the product line now is called "Peter Beales Complete Natural Rose Care Products" perhaps there's a good chance the products will be sold via the PBR website a bit earlier? smile

I suppose there will be information about the "Peter Beales Complete Natural Rose Care Products" on the Ashdown Roses website very soon. Currently, the only info I have seen is about Good Morning Roses Carole has mentioned above, on the Organic Plant Healthcare website: CLICK HERE.

greetings
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Someone will be along to answer your questions on these exciting developments soon!
Pete
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Hello everyone.

Let me answer what I can.

Regarding availability of the products. They are currently available in the United States. We hope to have then available in the UK within six months and also in Japan. We are also hoping to have them available in the EU very quickly. Any products like these needs to be approved by the appropriate Government agencies. But since they are organic it should be easier.

The program is designed to work as a complete rose care for the entire season. There are three fertilizer products

Good Morning Roses is the spring feeding
Good Afternoon Roses is the summer feeding
Good Night Roses is the fall feeding.

The program focuses as much on soil health as it does feeding the plants. Healthy soil = healthy plants = plants that can tolerate heat stress, drought, freeze and be more resistant to disease.

The program was put together as collaboration between Myself Richard Beales and Billy Styles of Organic Plant HealthCare. Richard and I worked with Billy on what we wanted the roses to do at certain times of year and Billy worked that into a formula and added components he knew would also be important. So the three fertilizers are not the same. They are structured to do certain things at the appropriate time of year. Good Morning Roses wakes up the roses and the soil, pushes new growth from the base and buds for the spring flowering. Good Afternoon Roses helps the roses deal with summer heat and gets them ready for fall, Good Night Roses hardens canes and puts the roses to bed, but also keeps the soil vibrant during the winter. To my knowledge this is the only product that is designed to do different things at different times of the year and that is what makes it different. The others are one product applied all year long giving no variety.

For example here is the Guaranteed Analysis off the box of Good Morning Roses

6-4-1
"Plant Nutrients Derived From. Exceptional quality biosolids, dehydrated and composted poultry manure, urea, sulfur coated urea, sulfate of potash, ferrous sulfate and nitrogen fixing yeasts that pulls available nitrogen from the air.

Good Morning Roses contains endo and ectomycorrhizae for healthy root development. Also cotton seed meal, leonardite and other natural food sources are include to promote robuts microbial activity for improved soil and plant health."

In the United States the products will be shipped when it is time to put them out. Part of the reason is to make it easy for the customer and part is because the products are mixed fresh since they contain living microorganisms. So when the product shows up in your mailbox you know it is time to feed your roses.

The "Fungicide" component of the program is Good Health Roses. It will not be Nutrol and Prudent as we originally thought. We decided in the end it would be better to have a single product and not two that needed to be mixed. Availability and pricing on this should be out by the end of the month.

The Japanese Beetle control is "Good Bye Beetles". It will also be available by the end of the month. I donÂt want to post details yet but it is natural.

"Welcome to My Garden" is used when first planting your roses to help get them established.

There is another product coming out which is deigned to put down only once when you first go on the program. It will "jump start" the microbal activity in your soil. After that the three fertilizers are more than adequate to keep it going.

Regarding watering less. Yes. The mycorrhizae are natureÂs water reservoirs for plants. Essentially they attach themselves to the roots and then put out long tendrils to draw in water and nutrients from outside the root zone of the rose. In exchange the receive sugars from the plant. Leonardite is a mined mineral which also help with water storage in the soil. Once the program gets working you should be able to water less than you do now.

As with any organic program this will take some time to get going. Chemicals are a quick fix, organics are not. Plus as you wean your roses off chemicals you may even notice a slight period of decline. But that will reverse quickly and in the long run you will have far healthier roses. Ashdown Roses uses only natural products now and I can see a distinct and better difference. The products we used formed the basis of the Peter Beales Complete Natural Rose Care line. We were the guinea pigs

Everything is and will be available in larger sizes and bulk pricing for rose societies etc.

I hope this answers most of the questions. Post more and IÂll try to answer them as best I can.

Thanks!

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#5 2008-02-05 15:44:25

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Hi Paul,

Thanks for all the info, i am sure this will help.

Simon

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#6 2008-02-05 16:13:30

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I love the names should be very easy principle to follow I look foreward to hearing about the price and availability sounds very exciting I wished I could of given my roses a good feed with welcome to my gardenand settled them down for winter with a goodnight rose night cap.
Mellie

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Thank you for the information, Paul. I second Mellie on the names, excellent choice in my opinion too. Like Carole I'm also very interested in the "fungicide" component of the program. Is Good Health Roses a "stand-alone" product respectively does it make sense to use it independent of the other products?

Hannes

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Hi Hannes,

Glad you like the names.

The Fungicide could be used as a stand alone but it will work better as part of the whole program. The basis for this is healthy soil = healthy plants = plants better able to resist disease. But I have used the fungicide on its own with good results.

Our thinking behind creating this program (it's taken about 3-4 years to put it all together) is twofold. First of all to wean roses off chemicals and secondly to make it complete and easy to use. That way you don't have to be confused by all the different rose care products in terms of which go with which.
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#9 2008-02-05 23:39:16

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Thanks so much for your answers Paul. As you might have guessed I thought of all my questions after I saw you that day at Organic Plant Healthcare. That's pretty typical of me. ;-)

I did think of another question.....I'm a very big fan of using alfalfa pellets on my roses several times a season. When I am using your program would this be a bad thing to do? A duplication of effort maybe? I just sprinkle them around the beds and let nature take its course...not much of an effort, actually.

Thanks!

Carole
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#10 2008-02-06 15:02:01

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Hi Carole.

While the program is complete something like alfalfa pellets won't overlap or do any harm. Since they are non-chemical they will not affect what is going on under the ground. Alfalfa contains tricontinol which is a natural plant growth hormone and roses love it.

Just keep in mind the program is designed to not only feed your roses but also to bring your soil to life. Additional organics can't hurt but chemical quick fixes can.

Think of the program like getting your energy from a well balanced diet. The longer you are on the diet the better you feel.

Chemicals are like getting your energy from energy drinks like Red Bull and nothing else. Sooner or later you are going to burn out.
Paul Zimmerman
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Hi Paul,

I am very interested after reading all your product descriptions.
Will your line of Complete Natural Rose Care Products be available in my small country  Switzerland?
We are not in the EU.

Rae

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These are very exciting times and personally I cannot wait to move over from chemical to organic feeds in my home personal rose garden. big_smile
Pete
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Rae, the answer is we would like it to be available. Do you by any chance know who would be the proper authorities to contact in Switzerland to get permission?
Paul Zimmerman
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#14 2008-02-06 23:02:56

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Re: Peter Beales Complete Natural Rose Care Products

Thanks Paul for the answer about the alfalfa. And all the other info too!

Another question....when would be a good time to apply Good Morning Roses here in South Carolina? I know the last frost date here is April 15 but it gets warm here a lot sooner than that. Would the middle to the end of March be about the right time?

Carole
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Hi Carole,

Late March/Early April as long as you scratch it into the soil. Keep in mind this fertilzer contains liviing microbes that can be harmed by a freeze when first put out. Once they work their way down in to the soil temperatures are no longer an issue.
Paul Zimmerman
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#16 2008-02-07 06:22:11

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AshdownRoses wrote:

Rae, the answer is we would like it to be available. Do you by any chance know who would be the proper authorities to contact in Switzerland to get permission?

Hi Paul,
I will snoop around and list out some names for you to call or write to.

Rae

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Thank you!
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Hi Paul,
Please check your PM box. I have just sent you more details.

Rae

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Hello Paul
Can I get the product shipped to Greece? It sounds wonderful...
Roxani

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#20 2008-04-10 13:25:09

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As some point it should be available in Greece. That is being worked on now. Watch this space.
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Great questions. I'll take them one at a time.

1. The granular fertility products in the PB Complete Natural Rose Care program are specifically designed to give the roses what they need at different times during the growing cycle. Good Morning Roses increases microbial activity in the soil and promotes a more complete soil food web which provides for healthier soil, more efficient nutrient uptake and improved root development. It also promotes healthy growth from the base of the plant as well as as bud production for a healthy spring flush. In contrast, Good Night Roses (the fall treatment) slows growth, prepares the plant for the rigors of winter and minimizes dieback. Because roses have such different needs at different times of the year, we felt it was critically important to provide different fertility formulas to address those needs.

2. Because these products work to improve soil health and root development over time, the need for watering will be reduced, over time. There is no specific timetable for this since soil health varies widely within the different microclimates of your landscape, not to mention from county to county and state to state.

3. Nutrol and Prudent are very good products and available for purchase at our store, but they are not currently part of our rose care program.

4. Good Health Roses will be available on or about April 20, 2008. It is a natural fungicide and insecticide, all Organic, EPA exempt and qualifies for OMRI listed status. It works to suppress black spot and powdery mildew as well as other fungus and disease known to afflict roses and controls aphids, spider mites, whiteflies and other insects commonly found in the garden.

5. Good Health Roses Pricing is currently $12.95 US for a 24 oz. ready to use spray and $22.95 for a 32 oz. concentrate. (mix rate is 2 oz. per gallon of water, therefore 32 oz. makes 16 gallons of solution). Application rate depends upon the size of the plant, but one should spray the tops and bottoms of the leaves to the point of runoff for proactive treatments. We will be offering an introductory offer that is hard to pass up. You'll receive a FREE 24 oz. spray bottle with the purchase of any 25 lb. bag of Good Morning Roses, Good Afternoon Roses or Good Night Roses. Or - receive a FREE 32 oz. concentrate when you purchase 3 - 25 lb. bags in the program.

6. I'll have more information for you on the Japanese beetle product in the near future. We're planning to make it available around the same time. It effectively repels and kills Japanese beetles, mosquitos and other landscape pests while leaving beneficial insects like butterflies, honey-bees and lady bugs unharmed. As I said, more details to come.

Thank you for your questions. We're working very hard to complete the organicplanthealthcare.com e-commerce site and appreciate your patience.

Alan Talbert
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#22 2008-04-11 23:14:58

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Alan

I have a question about you Beetle product. I noticed you stated it will kill other landscape pests, does this mean fleas and ticks as well? And if not do you have a product that will. I just do not want to harm the bees and ladybugs but I need to spray for fleas and ticks every year.

p.s. I have already seen the difference in my roses after useing the Good Moring Roses. big_smile

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Alan,

Good Health Roses sounds very interesting. Now I have to use two Safers products to control disease and the insects. I do hope the spray bottles work better than the ones Safers comes in. Drives me nuts when they jam up and you can't do much about it. Am anxiously awaiting its release.

Cyndy

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I've been using Good Health selectively at the nursery and I can report this.

I've used it on spider mites, aphids and white fly with very good results. I had some blackspot occuring on some test plants and am using it there as well. So far no spreading of the blackspot.
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Carole
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Re: Peter Beales Complete Natural Rose Care Products

I'm glad to hear Good Health is working.....I have a bit of an aphid problem now.

Here's a question for Paul.....is there anything in the works for thrips? I had them bad last year.
Carole
Tega Cay, SC, USA

I am using the fertilizer program. I used the fertilizer about a month ago and all my roses look great with buds all over them and I am sure it is helping my soil too. I am excited to see what happens this year.

I'm the Carole in the above threads.....and the answer to the last question from Paul was that it does indeed work on thrips. I am hoping that Paul sees this thread and answers all your questions.

A few weeks ago when I visited Ashdown I saw the area where Paul was planning to test Good Health Roses. It contained roses of all ages and was a bit buggy. According to Paul the stuff worked well. I don't know what is in the stuff but I do know that the roses I picked up that day were the absolute picture of health. And I saw one of the workers spraying one of the tunnels with no protective gear....the thing I want to be able to do.

I am using the fertilizer...with good results so far. My roses look great. I told this story in another thread so sorry for the rerun but I think it shows definite results.

A few weeks ago I rescued a Slater's Crimson China that my neighbor had tossed dirtless into a ditch. I'm not sure how long it was in there but even though I had the flu at the time I crawled into that ditch and saved that rose. I put it in a pot hoping a bit of TLC would bring it back. It was looking like crap until I used Good Morning Roses on it and watered it well. It is now putting out new growth like crazy and I think it is going to live.

I will definitely be taking the ride over to Organic Plant Healthcare as soon as Good Health Roses is for sale. I have been listening to a local radio show on Saturdays lately that Billy Styles has...he owns Organic Plant Healthcare. One of his best lines is that "No one waters the forest" and that with the use of these products we can feed the soil to create a sustainable garden. And if you think about it....he's right. We had the mother of all droughts here last summer and as I ride around I see all the redbud and dogwood in the woods blooming. The man is on to something IMHO.

Carole

Let me know how it works for you Carole. You may convince me to stop my current spray program (only for BS). I will get it if it works on thrips...the only insects I actually spray for.

I can't wait for Good Health to to ready to be shipped. I fed my roses with Good Moring Roses and they have more buds this year than any year before, even the one I had to prune back to about 6" over the winter because the paperboy threw the newspaper on it and damaged it. Needless to say it is in the backyard now.

I'll do it Sunni.

I spotted another rose that sure looks like it is loving Good Morning Roses....my Rock Hill Peach Tea is putting out a whole bunch of new basal growth. I was spreading mulch last night and was amazed at the difference.

Carole

God bless you all...every one! Already put in my order!!!!!

We still do not know the active ingredients in Good Health. Right? Or did I miss something. I would really like to know.

Barbara

No....we don't know what the active ingredients are. I'd like to know myself. But I did hear that it will be available for purchase starting on Monday, April 21. I'm thinking of riding over to Organic Plant Healthcare after work on Monday.

Carole

Hi there,

My computer has been down, which is why I've been away. I'm back up on one of the office ones until mine is fixed.

The ingredients are oils and emulsifiers. We'll have detail up on the website in a week or so.

Here's a link to a page on Ashdown's website with more information about their new rose care line. You can download a PDF file showing the label for Good Health Roses. I had better luck viewing it by downloading the label to my computer instead of just viewing it.

Carole

Sounds good everyone. Is CarolFM trying this also?

Carla