troykd, The purpose of the additional bracing, is just that.. additional. I wouldn't eliminate 30/31. They are holding the uprights pefectly spread to each other. It may allow them to bow if you remove them. I would just add the EMT (yes, toward the top), it keeps the sides equally spaced. IMHO :-) Tom

Jimmydo2 THANKS for the kind words. I was thinking about you today I remember you said you would probably start on your's over the weekend. I have never built a GH before but compared to somethings that I have built the GH was not all that bad. A few years ago I wanted to put a D1-R Procharger on my Corvette and the company that builds it told me that it could not be done. When I ask why they said their engineers had not figured out a way to make it work and that if I got it to work I would not be able to put the hood on. I bought the supercharger and installed it on my vette show car and have a house full of trophies that I won with it. This makes the greenhouse seem like child's play. Getting back to the GH it did try my patience mostly because I thought that all I would have to do was assemble it and that was not the case. With all the mistakes and the modifications that needs to be done to make it survive a thunder storm it turned out to be a PITA Jimmy i didn't set the forum up for the mail but if you need to contact me I have a account at hotmail you can reach me through it. R.E.Piper@hotmail.com don't forget to put the periods in. You can E-Mail me if you need any pictures of the mods beyond what I have already posted. I'm sure you saw those. Yesterday I laid the ground cloth then put down Styrofoam insulation covered it with sand and then laid the floor it is made from patio blocks. Took the day off today to rest and took the wife to a really big nursery today and she bought a few plants.

I have decided that I will make the 10x12 work for me; I will reinforce the heck out of it. I am going to be growing trees, I will need the height. ACK, I went by my Local HF Store today, "Just to Check", I should have my Money by Tuesday... They have the 6x8 in stock $399!, but have never had the 10x12 in stock, Granted when I gave the part number to a stock clerk, and told him that it is listed on Harborfreightusa.com, he said that it is a new item and should be stocking it soon... SOON, how soon, my 20% off coupon, expires on the 18th (Does that mean I can use it on the 18th, or that the last day I can use it, is the 17th) Sigh. I am only about 130 Miles from there Camarillo Warehouse, I wonder if I can do a will-call, and use my 20% off retail store coupon... Leme see, 260 miles round trip call it 9 gallons of gas, at 2.60 a gallon, call it $24 bucks for gas, and 3.5 hours of Driving, one hour for The hassle at will call. Oh, I can not forget the Stop at Canters Deli for lunch for me and my helper, so add another hour, and another $40. Oh wait, I cannot use my car (3 door Saturn, I do not think the big metal framed box will fit in it, so I have to take my wifes truck, Yeah my wife has the truck, what can I say, she is a Red Neck Woman, I think Gretchen wrote that song for her, but my wife is better looking.) Ok where was I, oh yeah Driving the Truck, well I can still average 75 MPH, but the mileage is gonna suck, so that would be $40 bucks in gas SO $40 for Gas, $40 for Lunch, and 4 and a half, ok call it 5 hours of my time... Hmm, well there are about 9 HF Stores, (other than my local store), that are 30-75 miles away, I guess I am gonna have to break down and do that old fashioned thing and let my fingers do the walking. I hope they have it for the same price as the Mail order site. Yeah, I found out on this site somewhere that the www.harborfreight.com site is for mail order/web order prices only, and the www.harborfreightusa.com sight is for retail stores, but it only shows stock items (Not what is in stock, but what they can stock), and they do not show the prices. So does anyone live out here in Southern California, and want a free meal at Canters, and Corned beef and cabbage (my wife makes a Wicked corned beef, she slow cooks it all day), oh yeah and lots of Guinness. (Most of the Guinness will be after it is built. I will be taking lots of Pictures, and using the extra reinforcing mentioned elsewhere on this site. I will also be sinking the Frame (But on wooden supports. I will be sealing the open edges of the Panels with 100 Mile an hour tape (Also know as aluminum tape I think), and then running thin weather-stripping along the inside edges of the panels. I will buy a couple packages of Extra Spring Clips from Charlies, and probably screw in the panels on the roof, since they will not be easy to remove for the summer months. I will probably add extra Triangle corner reinforcing, Guy wires with those funny twisty things and some nice big anchors into the ground. I have a 220 GFI for my Hot Tub near where I will be building it, but I probably should not tap into that for the greenhouse. I do have a couple of Blank spots in my fuse box (Why do they still call them fuse boxes... oh yeah I think they are called breaker boxes now), it was easy for the Guys to run the Power to the Hot Tub (About 15 minutes), but then thats what these guys do for a Living. I probably will not need power to the greenhouse, till Fall anyhow, I will be removing panels and using shade cloth for cooling in the summer. One corner of the greenhouse will be just past one of my Spare Sprinkler heads, so I can tap into that for water, and if I install timers inside the greenhouse, I can have different watering schedules for the watering and the Misting... I assume that is what I should do. One other thing I will be doing is running an extension from the clothes dryer vent to the greenhouse to have the clothes dryer exhaust into the greenhouse... Free Heat and moisture. (Most of our clothes washing happens late at night anyhow. I figure I will till up the ground where the greenhouse is going (Should make leveling it easier), and then I will be flooring it will all the shingles that blew off my roof over new years weekend. Ok, what I am I missing, ahh yes, orientation, if I remember correctly this greenhouse is 10 feet wide, and 12 feet deep. The greenhouse will be about 8 feet south of my garage (I already can see that gap is gonna become a place where you toss all the crap for the back yard, but it would make a good place to park my Garden Tractor). The winds here come out of the South, Southwest, I was thinking of Orienting the Greenhouse so that the door is facing west, I figure that would be better than south, and having the door on the east or north side would be awkward. Does this orientation sound ok? Or should I really put the door on the North side? Now a question for those who have built a 10x12,It is hard to tell from the Instructions, but it looks that the secondary brace for the vents is a separate piece of metal, so would it be possible for me to put all for vents on one side (In this case the North Side), of the roof? I do not think that having those vents facing south and opening up into a 40 MPH wind would be too healthy for the vents or the greenhouse (I am imagining a balloon being rapidly inflated), plus the wind blowing across the vents on the North Side would provide a Nice Low Pressure area, increasing the effectiveness of vents on that side. Am I missing anything (other than the greenhouse kit?) any suggestions, corrections, or Ideas. Sorry about writing books, hopefully most of you find it entertaining, rather than annoying

Hello Mudhouse, how are things, we haven't talked in awhile. You my friend got me through a greenhouse build 10x12 HFGH. You also helped me with many links to you on snow support. We had a mild winter initally but then all hell broke lose like the year before. Snowed everyday or every other day, 5 - 10 in. at a time. I think in the month of Feburary alone we received at least 5 ft in that month plus the other months. Snow in some parking lots went away in Apr. monster piles. Anyway, I used EMT tubing and ran it from side to side and front to back and accross. Then I ran tubing up to the roof and connect it from the EMT running accross. On the Harbor Freight I also went to Lowes and got another support and ran it from front to back in the middle of the roof for more support. From the ground I used 2 inch schelude 40 PVC pipe and connected it to the EMT tubing. I also made all my benches out of the same PVC pipe. It may sound confusing but it resembles some of the pics I saw people sent you for snow support. My doors worked fine all winter. I had pieces of metal that I placed on the tracks when the doors were close so snow would not get on them. When I wanted to get in the greenhouse I just picked them up and slide open the doors. I mainly used one door all the time. I also put a fairly heavy multi-purpose grease on the door tracks and they are still sliding good today. I made some new supports to keep the doors from moving off the track and put adjustable rods on the outside of the doors with a adjustable turnbuckle in the middle. Just like a barn door or gate adjustment to make tension on the door. Now during the summer I am going to make a little roof over my door tracks to keep off any snow. The gutter sucked and held back all the snow trying to slide off the roof. I purchased a big brush with a long handle and purchased foam insulation that goes on plumbing pipes and put it around the brush and taped it on. Now I can use the handle and put it up on the greenhouse roof and it fits between the panels and I pull off the snow when I get 5 inches or so. Very easy and the foam slides on the roof and doesn't hurt the roof panels. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks and I should send some pics. Sorry, I don't have any now.