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fragrant antique rose for bouquets for Florida

11 years ago

I usually enjoy roses on the plant instead of cutting them for the house, but they seem to wilt so fast in the Florida heat (southwest Florida). I guess mine get more sun than they like. Plus it's been in the upper 80s, low 90s here this week and the blooms are wilted by 10 a.m. (I hear the weather has been unusually hot for this time of year.) I have Pat Austin (I know, not an antique), Crepuscule, Mrs. B.R. Cant, Louis Philippe, Carnation, SDLM, Duchess de Brabant and Mrs. Dudley Cross. All are fairly young with thin branches so I haven't tried cutting their flowers for the house. The thought occurred to me that I could cut them very short and float them in a bowl. Don't know how that would work.

Anyway, I am thinking about planting another antique, but only if the flowers are fragrant, the flowers are good for cutting and last for a couple of days in a vase.

Any suggestions? Thank you!
Marcia

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Comments (9)

malcolm_manners
11 years ago
Bermuda's "Spice" would be a good choice.
floridarosez9 Morgan
11 years ago
While not antiques, Belinda's Dream and Elina are wonderful cut flowers, and the heat doesn't faze them here. For the shorter stemmed roses, I use rose bowls, a squatty vase with a gridded top that snaps or screws on and holds the floppy heads in place.
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It is tough, tough, tough to find a rose that stays @ 3' in California. I've grow maybe 500 different cultivars over the past 20 years and can think of maybe 4 or 5 that have stayed short. What is listed as 3' in the Austin catalog (as an example) is 6' here. 'Bolero' was 2-3' for a good number of years, but is creeping upwards to 5', I've been cutting it back to 3', which it doesn't seem to mind. 'Twilight Zone' seems to be staying short. 'Golden Buddha'. 'Julia Child' can be kept to 3' and is a good bloomer. 'International Herald Tribune'--that one would be worth looking. Jeri in Ventura County grows that and has often said it is compact, clean, and blooms generously.
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marcia_m
Original Author
11 years ago
Thank you for the suggestions, Malcolm and Floridarosez. And thanks for introducing me to the rose bowl vase. I didn't know about them so I had to Google photos. There's something new to learn every day! Now I'll go looking for one at the second hand stores.
Marcia
floridarosez9 Morgan
11 years ago
Marcia, you might check out places like tea rooms that have a gift shop. My sister found me two at Lavender & Lace in Lake Alfred (Polk County) and one in the crystal section at Belk Department Store, which really surprised me.
marcia_m
Original Author
11 years ago
I haven't shopped for a rose bowl yet but saw a photo of a bowl of gardenias on the GW Florida gardening forum, so I had to pick some blooms and put them in a mixing bowl. I can enjoy them until they get soggy and sink :) Pat Austin, Duchess de Brabant, SDLM, Louis Philippe, and a Mrs. B.R.Cant bud, who wants to ball, along with the gardenias and some confederate jasmine.
Marcia
floridarosez9 Morgan
11 years ago
Luscious while it lasts, I'll bet.
sherryocala
11 years ago
Beautiful, Marcia! I think you've got the hang of it. I may start doing that. I pretty much leave them on the bush. You might try Maggie. She's very fragrant. I agree about Belinda's Dream. She's a winner, a real over-achiever.

My flowers never wilt in the heat. Maybe it's because yours are so young. Are they getting enough water? Maybe nothing's wrong. You just surprised me.

Sherry

Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...
marcia_m
Original Author
11 years ago
Sherry, maybe they need more water. It's very hot here and some of the younger roses are in full sun. I'm going to look for Maggie this fall. Problem will be to find a spot to plant her!

Thanks for the help and suggestions.
Marcia
sherryocala
11 years ago
Oh, I forgot Clotilde Soupert is fragrant and beautiful - not wafting but definitely smelly - and not big, stays about 3-1/2 x 3-1/2. Really, she's very fragrant. Heavy bloomer, repeats fast and healthy. She's also my only rose that gets spider mites - both bushes and the climber. I've learned to recognize the pale leaves and hit them hard with the hose several days in a row. i believe she's due to get them now that it's the dry spring - except that we've just received a lot of rain so maybe this year the mites won't come.

Young roses in our sandy soil need daily watering in the heat. It's not the sun. They need the sun, but they need water, too. Mine suffered badly their first year before I figured that out. You don't have to drown them. Watering even lightly but thoroughly everyday keeps the soil evenly moist at all levels as the water drains down - and away! A nice thick mulch is a must, too. Interestingly, last year I didn't replace the mulch in early spring, only applied a few inches of composted horse manure. One day in the summer when I got home at 5 o'clock for the heck of it I stuck my fingers down under the compost. It was still moist!! Even in the blow-torch sun all day (I water at 6:30 AM.) I was amazed. So use something - mulch or good compost. It does wonders.

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Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...

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