Upper cylinder lubricant
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Comments (30)I just wanted to post my experence with an old Echo. About 6 months ago I was given (for free!!!) an Echo PB-300E by a buddy I work with. He said it had been sitting in a barn of theirs untouched for years. His dad left it there when it became difficult to start. Well I got it and performed a general clean up of the exterior to get the grime/debris/dirt and crudd off it. Then I looked at the fuel. It looked like burnt coffee! So I dumped it then filled it about 1/4 the way full with fresh fuel and shook the crap out of it 3-4 times till the gas was clean (looked like it did from my fuel can) when I poured it out. I then removed the plug that was in it and gave it a thorough scrubbing till it looked almost brand new. I then filled it with fresh fuel and added the recommended amounts of Seafoam and also Licas upper cylinder lubricant. Reinstalled the plug, pulled out the chocke, turned the throttle to full blast and pulled the cord. It started right up! After it warned up (maybe 2 minutes) it blew some nasty nasty smoke for about another 5-7 minutes. Then I let it rip till that half a tank of fuel + additives was no more. I have been using it this entire season roughly 2 times a week and it starts first pull every time!!! It smokes for a min or two after its started at full throttle and for a min or so if at full throttle after left ideling for roughly 3-5 minutes too. The only thing I have a problem with is restarting when it's warm. Maybe I just haven't found the right combo of throttle/choke but I have tried many times and it just seems like its flooded. Any comments/ideas on that? I still have try to remove/clean the carb and I'm sure that would remedy the hot start, rather hot no start issue. I am just completely blown away with how great this old blower is and wish I could actually find some specs on it....See MoreTicking GX 345
Comments (2)It is entirely possible that the "ticking" is due to a bent valve pushrod. This might have happened because one of the engine valves was "stuck" open when you cranked the engine. With a valve stuck open, the pushrod can fall out of place when the camshaft moves but the stuck valve does not move the rocker arm as it would if the valve were free. Sometimes the pushrod falls completely out of place and that cylinder becomes "a dead misfire". Sometimes the pushrod is "caught" on the edge of the rocker arm when the piston comes up and strikes the stuck valve (which does not happen when the valves are free) which bends the pushrod. A lot of times the bending is severe enough that the cylinder becomes a dead misfire even if the pushrod falls back into its cup on the rocker arm. I supposed that some slight bending could cause a noise due to too much clearance in that valve position (because any bending effectively shortens the length of the pushrod which increases valve lash). I would suggest checking the valve clearance at the earliest opportunity. If you find a valve with much more clearance than the OEM spec, you need to remove the pushrod for that valve and roll it across a smooth flat surface to detect any "wobbling" that will result from a bent pushrod. A straight pushrod will roll easily and freely if placed on a smooth inclined surface. A bent pushrod will wobble or maybe not roll at all on the same surface. Replace bent pushrods with new. The valve that sticks is most often the intake valve. Sticking occurs because of varnish formation on the valve stem where it is exposed to the air/fuel mixture flowing into the cylinder. This varnish is formed in part because the gasoline in the intake draft washes the lubricating oil off the valve stem leaving only a sticky residue which can "glue" the valve stem to the valve guide long enough to allow the damaging chain of events to take place. To help guard against sticking valves which lead to this condition, add some Marvel Mystery Oil or other brand of "upper cylinder lubricant" to the gasoline. This will leave a light coat of oil on the intake valve stem where it is exposed in the intake passage of the cylinder head. This little bit of oil helps to keep the lower end of the valve stem "wet" and sticking is not likely to occur....See Moreis replacing the upper cylinder head a diy job??
Comments (17)I agree with T-man (prior damage). In the photos I see marking and erosion in the space between the upper right and lower right bolt holes (right, as looking at the photos) that is characteristic of a heavy component having been loose to move about it's mounting bolts for an extended period of time. I surmise that the threaded holes were damaged from the old starter banging around (not just from reaction to torque during cranking, but also from bouncing and jostling during using the machine). When this happens to a threaded hole, the threads deepest into the hole might remain virtually damage free, but the threads closest to the entry point of the hole will be have the most severe damage. The replacement bolts might have tried to follow a path different from the undamaged threads deeper into the hole. As the bolt turned further into the hole, it may have tried to alter it's course as it encountered a change in the threads. The end result is that ALL the threads in the hole became damaged and the holding capacity of the hole was compromised. This led to the new starter loosening and since there were only 2 mtg bolts to wrestle with this time, the loosening probably happened quicker. As a result, the side area of the hole (upper left one) broke out. Unfortunately, it appears that the best methods to try salvaging this engine would require removing the engine from the tractor. As bill stated, "Heli-coil" would be one way to POSSIBLY restore the holes (and both holes need to be restored). A Heli-coil insert (boy, the name seems to imply that you just "pop" them in, wrong) is like a coil spring except it is a precision thread after installation, and the repaired hole accepts the original bolt size. I can't tell from looking at the photos if these holes are deep enough to allow for the drilling and tapping required to prepare the hole for a Heli-coil repair. Also, since it seems that the side of the hole has broken out, I doubt there is enough base material present around the hole to actually "hold" a Heli-coil insert. If the holes are deep enough to support the drilling and tapping for Heli-coil repair, long length Heli-coil inserts could be installed and corespondingly longer bolts used to mount the starter to the "block". Whether the holes are deep enough to support this is a question best answered by a machine shop. The other method to salvage this engine would be to weld up the damaged holes and retap them to the original size bolts. Either method would ideally require a competent machine shop and/or welding shop capable of welding aluminum with T.I.G.( the material appears to be cast aluminum in the photos) If you can measure the depth of the holes accurately, I'll try to determine if there is enough space to try Heli-coil (measure depth of both upper holes, be sure there is no dirt or foreign matter pack in the bottom of the holes, clean them out with a small screwdriver, stiff wire or other tool.) For you to implement a Heli-coil repair yourself, you would need to obtain a Heli-coil kit for the specific size bolt diameter and pitch of the threads. If it goes that far, you'll just take one of your old mtg bolts with you to the store. The Heli-coil kit will have: The correct diameter drill bit necessary to enlarge the damaged hole, a special sized Heli-coil tap to thread the hole so it will accept the Heli-coil insert, a tap handle to turn the tap with, a Heli-coil insert installation tool (the tap handle is used to turn this tool also), and a limited number of inserts. Instructions included. If you want more insight into the Heli-coil method and products you can do a www.helicoil thing to check out whether you are tempted to try it or not. If you decide to attempt this your self, it will not be entirely necessary to remove the engine, but I already anticipate some clearance issues that would require the use of a 3/8" drive extension to turn the tap handle instead of the cross bar that is furnished in the kit. BTW, all that JB Weld will have to be sanded flat before re-mounting the starter. Maybe T-man can post the diameter and thread pitch for us. The holes appear to be sized for 3/8" bolts but might be 7/16"....See MoreDYT 4000 Engine Problem
Comments (5)You should check to determine if the valve guides are firmly in place in the head and not "working loose". The valve guide can be seen by looking through the coils of the valve spring. If the guides are backing out, the spring retainer cup hits the valve guide when the valve rocker opens the valve (pushes valve down) and this can cause bending pushrods. The most likely cause of the bent intake pushrod is due to the intake valve stem sticking to the guide while the engine is stopped. Then, when the engine is started up again, the valve stays stuck for a moment while the rest of the valve train moves away allowing the pushrod to fall out of the rocker. If the pushrod gets trapped on the edge of the rocker arm when this occurs, the next downward push of the rocker arm will bend the pushrod. To help prevent sticking valves and guide you should change the lube oil often (50 hour intervals or sooner). But, you really must start adding some "upper cylinder lubricant" to your fuel supply to properly lubricate the portion of the intake valve stem that is exposed to the incoming fuel/air mix from the carb. Gasoline and ethanol are both highly solvent and tend to wash off the engines natural coat of lube oil on the intake valve, then the solvents evaporate..........leaving a very gummy residue. If the intake valve happens to stop in the open position when you shut the engine off, all bad stuff happens. Upper cylinder lube can be had in the form of Marvel Mystery Oil or any good 2-cycle fuel mix oil. If you use 2-cycle mix oil just add a volume of oil amounting to about 4 or 5 standard soda bottle caps of oil to a single gallon of gas. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of pushrods! Do you have the service manual? If not, e-mail me for a PDF copy....See Morejavert
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