skip to main content

Planting ??? for z5

16 years ago

It's planting time!! Yeah!!

My order came yesterday from Vintage Gardens. I have a few planting questions as I've grown only a few roses since moving here, most of my experience is in the mild PNW zones.

How deep should I plant own root roses in z5? Do you put them deeper when planting new ones so they will be more protected until they settle into their own "best depth" for the zone? I know we plant grafted roses deeper, with the graft about 2" below ground level.

I'm sure our hard winters will affect mature size. I want to plant with this in mind. Can anyone in z5 tell me what mature size (both width & height) for each of these roses:

CÃ©cile Brunner

Constance Spry

Duchess of Portland

Ferdinand Pichard

Graham Thomas

Illusion (cl)

Mme Hardy

Raubritter

William Shakespear

Also, these are in bands, not bare root. Our last frost date is not until May 15 and we are still getting down into the 30s on a regular basis. How would you suggest I protect them in the next few weeks?

I have two older roses from cuttings (Mary Lovett and Dorothy Perkins) that I planted here about 12 yrs ago and I don't bother with mulch or anything in the winters. Obviously they are mature and settled in. They were also much larger plants when I first put them in. Should I plan on giving these little band roses winter protection for the first year or two?

Thanks for sharing your wisdom!

Sort by:Oldest

Comments (2)

karenforroses
16 years ago
Hi Berrytea, I'm also in zone 5, and have only had experience with Graham Thomas, William Shakespeare 2000 and Constance Spry. Constance will be the "Big Bertha" of the group - Mine put on 15' of cane, and had very little winter dieback, so make sure you put her somewhere where she can really spread out. I put mine on a long lattice fence and trained her canes horizontally. Graham Thomas, for me, was taller than wide, and I put him on a tripod, winding the canes around the structure. My two William Shakespeare 2000 are only two years old - too soon to be sure about ultimate size - but it's looking like they will be about 4' tall and 3-4 feet wide - time will tell. Leave yourself lots of room. When I get bands this early in the season, I put them in a garden cart - keep them in a sheltered spot outside during the day and wheel them back into the garage at night. The other option would be to plant them but put on night protection (i.e. cover with a flower pot or something). Their new growth is just too tender to sustain a frost. Good luck - you have three very beautiful roses there! Good choice.
berrytea4me
Original Author
16 years ago
Karenforroses,
Good point about Constance. I think I'll put her along a fence where she can have support and spread out. I read she will tolerate some shade too which is perfect for a section of my white picket fence.

I will heed your advice about hardening the bands off before planting. I was going to give them night protection but I have a good spot under the eaves of the house that is protected from frost this time of year where they can sit over night. Several have already set buds.

My Graham has been overwintered in a small patio "greenhouse" inside my house this winter- late trade that arrived the day after we hit 20 degree weather and never had a thaw for 3 months. It's a little leggy & rootbound but otherwise 2' tall and healthy to my surprise. I'm starting to harden it off too. It spend today out in the shade.

So, I spent the day digging weeds & cleaning winter killed foliage and will give these new plants some hardening off time before planting.
Related Discussions
planting onion sets z5
Q
Comments (8)
"Although many gardeners use these terms interchangeably, there is a difference. An onion set is a small bulb, to 1 inch in diameter. It is produced under conditions which rapidly produce a small bulb which, when planted, will grow a larger bulb. An onion transplant is a plant between 8 to 10 weeks old which has not gone through the bulbing process, and if planted at the right time will produce large bulbs." Dixondale is an excellent source for plants!
...See More
Cannas- Plant Now in Z.5?
Q
Comments (2)
Consider them a tender annual, and wait until after all danger of frost. They really don't like cold.
...See More
New USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map
Q
Comments (18)
Albuquerque is zone 7A, but the same zones out west, particularly in the southwest, are just not the same as here in New England. For one thing, they get more sunshine hours because they are further south, and many more days of sunshine, because they don't get the storm systems and clouds very often the way we do. And finally, they get many milder breaks between the cold weather periods, again presumably because they are further south (means more hours of sunlight) and get so many more days of sunshine anyway. That means that it gets drier, and also the ground seldom freezes, and even if it does, it's not for long. St. George, UT and Cape Cod, MA are both zone 7A. I've been to St. George, and there are palm trees all over town. And not just the hardy ones like Windmill palms, which are zone 7 anyway, but even the Washingtonias. But I am sure that there is no way you will see them all over the Cape! It's the same zone, but a totally different climate. That's why I say zones are a guide, but ultimately it's up to each of us to try (or not try) to grow whatever we want, within reason. So no coconuts in Providence, but I do have camellias and Clerodendron. Not supposed to grow here, but the plants apparently haven't been told that, so they are fine!
...See More
Tomatoes planted outside in Z5!
Q
Comments (17)
I winter sowed mine, and haven't had the opportunity to get them in the ground yet (beds not done----new home, starting over deal). Now I'm glad I didn't...front tonight! They do love the warm temps and we've had plenty the last couple of weeks! I brought them indoors tonight. Mine have been in cut down, clear juice containers and on the deck. So they've gotten plenty of heat. Now the frost....yuck! At least it isn't snow! I've never tried the Wall-O-Waters. I think I may try that next year...just to see if any difference.
...See More

Related Stories

LIME FOLIAGE 5 Gold Plants to Illuminate Shady Garden Spots

Dark garden corners don't have to mean deep, monochromatic color. Gold plants brighten the landscape with shots of luminosity

FALL GARDENING 5 Native Early-Spring Bloomers to Plant This Fall

By Benjamin Vogt / Monarch Gardens

Think beyond tulips and daffodils this year with plants that you and native pollinators will love

NATIVE PLANTS 5 Ways to Keep Your Native Plant Garden Looking Good All Year

By Benjamin Vogt / Monarch Gardens

It’s all about planning ahead, using sustainable practices and accepting plants as living organisms

GARDENING GUIDES No-Regret Plants: 5 Questions Smart Shoppers Ask

By Jocelyn H. Chilvers

Quit wasting money and time at the garden center. This checklist will ensure that the plants you're eyeing will stick around in your yard

LANDSCAPE DESIGN 5 Steps to Selecting the Right Plants for a Rain Garden

By Falon Mihalic

A simplified look at selecting plants for a rain garden

GARDENING GUIDES 5 Easy Plants for a Romantic Entry Garden

Abundant flowers, a heady fragrance and striking foliage combine for a romantic front-yard garden that's deceptively low maintenance

PLANTING IDEAS 5 Ways to Use Pastel Plantings in Contemporary Gardens

Learn how pink, lilac, lavender, cream and peach can bring a soft beauty to your landscape

LANDSCAPE DESIGN 5 Berry-licious Shrubs to Plant Now for Winter Interest

Showy color during snow season? You bet. These shrubs will wake up a garden with colorful berries when other plants are asleep

PLANTING IDEAS Great Garden Combo: 5 High-Intensity Plants for High-Intensity Sun

Blend bold foliage and flowers to create a powerful combination that will hold its own even in the harsh light of midsummer

LANDSCAPE DESIGN 5 Ways to Plant a Big Kiss of Red on Your Landscape

By LuAnn Brandsen

Ignite passion in your garden beds and container plantings with flowers and foliage in this dynamic color

Sponsored

More Discussions

“Body bag” Roses

43

My Container Roses in GA Spring 2024

13

Zone 6-3 Garden blooming Spring 2024

4

To move or not to move in the sun.

4

What support for Lady Hillingdon?

4