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Who grow Mme pierre oger?
Comments (35)My mother grew Mme Pierre Oger (from Rose of Yesterday and Today) in her Pennsylvania garden, on neutral soil. She never sprayed and I don't think she ever fertilized or even pruned. She was on a hill, almost at the top. Down in the valley springtime came a later and there was a lot more frost. Mme Pierre Oger was (and still is) the most beautiful rose I have ever seen. Superlative in a vase. I don't remember ever seeing any black spot. The flowers, with their long petioles, have a beautiful stance on the bush, which is five foot tall and rather upright. I think I might have tried it when I first moved here. My "dream come true" roses were all lost in an unexpected April snowstorm a year or so after planting (including New Dawn) and I was so devastated I never tried Mme Pierre or Reine des Violettes again -- couldn't stand the pain. (My back garden in a sort of semi-shady a depression behind buildings.) There was a beautiful, healthy well-filled-out bush of Reine Victoria, of which Mme Pierre is a sport, for decades at the Brooklyn Botanic Garden. It certainly had three flushes, including one in the middle of the summer. At some point they got rid of all their roses because of rose rosette disease and they have never replaced it. Here is a link to a picture from the web, of a bush grown in Umbria, Italy, showing the petioles: https://www.casanovaumbria.eu/Mme-Pierre-Oger.jpg...See MoreMadame Alfred Carrier & Black Spot ?
Comments (45)I'm still having trouble making a decision. I'm strongly considering DEVONIENSIS but worried about the color. In some pics it looks creamy (i.e. yellow) white. I need a pink toned white; the cooler the pink tones the better. CLIMBING CLOTILDE SOUPERT would work in that spot (I've grown her before and she is one of my favorites for repeat bloom, fragrance, beauty-of-flower, and disease resistance), but I'd like something with slightly larger flowers. I also don't know how mum will react to the balling. Not a problem for me but it might be for her. CLIMBING SOUVENIR DE LA MALMAISON is tempting but I'm worried about the repeat bloom. I've read some bad reports on that front. What about CLIMBING WHITE MAMON COCHET? It is definately a cool pink toned white and the fragrant nodding flowers would be a plus in a climber. Is the repeat bloom reliable? How good is the vigor (i.e. will mom have to to wait 5 years for it to mature; I don't even know if she is going to live that long)? And is CWMC resistant to black spot?...See MoreThree Madames
Comments (21)I live in Richmond, in the North Bay, and although it took 4 years for my Mme. Berkeley to take off, it was well worth the wait. She is the healthiest Tea in my garden, and the variation of hues she shows is a welcome addition to my Tea collection. Mme. Antoine Mari' does get more p.m. here than any other Tea, I;m careful not to sprinkle her with water. There is a huge Mme. Wagram at Morcom Amphitheatre of roses in Oakland. It's on rootstock and was more than 8' x8' the last time I saw it. I love Teas for their "exquisite delicacy" of bloom, and Mme. Wagram just doesn't do anything for me. The blooms appear clumsy to me, and I suspect it leans a bit towards a H.T. lineage. The white sport of Duchess de Brabant usually blooms as white overlaid with blush pink, if you want a dependably white rose I'd suggest Westside Road Cream Tea' as it is disease resistant (locally) and fragrant. It matures at c. 4 and 1/2 feet wide and tall. Or Mrs. Herbert Stevens, a Tea-Hybrid, which was bred from the exquisite 'Niphetos' , which means "snowy". Niphetos was a greatly admired white Tea in the mid-1800's. please ask me If you want to know about any of the other Teas I've grown, in the Bay area : Angels Camp Tea Comtesse Emmeline de Guigne ( I highly recommend for beauty and disease resistance, here) Ducher (china-Tea) cannot recommend, it suffered terribly from p.m, defoliated and never produced more than 5-7 blooms in a flush. Monsieur Tillier grows very quickly, is disease resistant , here. Mrs. B.R. Cant grows very quickly, but is not floriferous unless pruned well after it blooms. Clementina Carbonieri (colors frizzle in heat, needs to be grown on an north facing wall, where I live. Alexander Hill Gray Alliance Franco Russe Lady Hillingdon Le Pactole Mme. Franziska Kruger Rosette Delizy Mrs. Dudley Cross Souvenir de Pierre Notting Georgetown Tea ( horribly afflicted with b.s and p.m.. Tea-Noisettes Reve d'Or can be easily grown self supporting and is a very nice plant when done so, as well as a climber. Marachal Niel ( died after I pampered it for three years, it needs to be on rootstock, which I hope to try next year) Lamarque Mme. Alfred Carriere Lux....See MoreMadame Lombard/Lambard
Comments (4)The plants here of Mme. Lombard went in to the ground as bands in November of 2005. They were amazing the first year, and then starting this spring...say March 2007 until about July (?) they were mildewed gross messes. I did not say anything on the forum, because so many had raved over this rose, and I thought I would just shovel prune them discreetly this fall ("Mme. Lombard?...Mme. Lombard? ummm, I don't...uh...recall having that rose...") when wouldn't ya know it, they started putting out foliage, blooming more and looking real pretty. I wonder if during that "uglies" time they weren't putting out more roots or something. I'll be interested to see if the mildews start again this spring or if it was just an awkward adolescent thing. By the way, Devoniensis did exactly the same thing. Best teas here, bar none, are Vintage's Etoile de Lyon and Souvenir de Pierre Notting...I have one from Vintage and another from Roses Unlimited, and they're both gorgeous. Sorry from going off subj. Also, my Mme. Lombards are both from Vintage. It is a nice rose, repeats a lot here, but I would not replace it or get more of it. I would, however give it 3 years. I am having a similar experience with Mrs. B.R. Cant, but I am not going to touch her for another 2 years, until she's in her present spot for 3 years. This has been a very traumatic season, with all the deer damage. Sorry for rambling. Jerome...See Morejacqueline9CA
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