SHEESH! It isn't bad enough that 'Fortuniana' is commonly sold as "White Lady Banks," now some fool has done it with poor Cecile?

What nursery name (if any) is on the plant????

Jeri

Jeri, I just looked at the tag and it does not have a nursery name. On the front, it says "Bank's Rose" and on the back, "Rosa Banksiae" and www.walmart.com, plus specs of the rose and care instructions. The tag does have a pic of what appears to be white and yellow Lady Banks, but all of them did and they are definitely all Cecile Bruenner, not Lady B.

I wonder if there is a way to notify them that they're selling wildly mislabeled plants.

Jeri

First, they don't care. Second, it was likely done deliberately to sell more plants. Once I obtain a Bluetooth dongle (which wasn't SUPPOSED to be required to remove the photos from my new LG phone without data charges, but IS) I can post the photos of the (once again!) "Red Lady Banks" roses now available at Lowe's from Nakase Brothers Nursery (http://nakasebrothersbayarea.com/ Rosa banksaie 'Red' Bush #1 size: + , #5 size: +). Part of the "Dark Ages" of roses we're solidly in now, is finding these issues designed to sell plants, whether they are botanically correct, or even ethical, or not. Good luck with your inexpensive Cl Cecile Brunner. More than likely, it will be the rampant, spring flowering version instead of the more controlled growing, repeat flowering type. Kim

Here is a link that might be useful: Nakase Brothers Nursery

"Red Cecile Brunner" at Lowe's, obviously a Wichurana climber. About a 2" flower, in gallon cans. "Marketing". Very overcast, under shade cloth and with a camera phone. This could well be something like Red Ribbons. Kim
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red lady banks! bloody hell!

Oh, I know you're right Kim --

It's probably little different from "Snowflake" grown by a rose society member here ... It's 'Fortuniana.' But she insists that I am wrong, and it IS SNOWFLAKE -- why? BECAUSE THE LABEL SAYS SO!
Or another otherwise knowledgeable rose grower who insisted that the vigorous red HT he was growing really WAS 'Agnes Winchell,' BECAUSE THE TAG SAID SO.

OR, for that matter, the huge stacks of dead, dry, "bare root" roses, in boxes, sold at Sam's Club.

Jeri

All of which exists and continues to occur because people BUY them. No sales, something else will be tried. As long as we throw dollars at them, expect them. It works..."we" pay for them. Kim

Darn, now you're making me feel guilty for buying CB. : (
Anyway, update! I checked the pot carefully and on the bottom, there is a small sticker which says Rose "Cecile Brunner, grown by Nakase Bros Wholesale Nursery", with an address in CA. The Banks Rose tag is a large plastic one which was attached to the top edge of the pot. The CB sticker is very small and was stuck to the bottom of the pot, pretty much invisible. So could be that an errant worker just put the banks tags on all of these without checking the stickers on the pots to verify the rose.

Not trying to make you feel anything, Petra. If you wanted the repeat flowering Cl. Cecile Brunner, it's available from several sources, none of which are the huge wholesale ones. We all complain about misidentifications and what appears to be sloppy, even dishonest horticultural practices, but we keep buying them, supporting them with our money. I honestly don't mean to impress anyone as being judgmental, nor to put anyone down or make anyone feel badly. Until we realize that by playing that slot machine, that lotto ticket, by buying the $5 canned plant; the $2 body bag plant; the .99 dried up bare root from the huge, open box, we condone what we complain about and encourage them to keep doing it.

Big Lots will stop buying the crates of dried out, dead rose bare roots if no one buys them. WalMart won't buy them if we don't. Personally, I have a big issue with WalMart over roses. Years ago, they signed a contract with Arena Roses to bud their selection, then went right out and shopped other producers to under cut him. After receiving other, lower bids AFTER signing his contract, they put the squeeze on him to lower his prices. They won. I understand economies of scale, marketing and all, but this was unethical and something I won't support with my dollars. I guess it's the thrill of getting something for nothing which makes incorrectly named, half dead and improperly taken care of plants acceptable from a big box store making many millions in profits, but the same issues from a mom and pop producer scraping by, results in their being demonized and damned. I just don't get it. Kim

I have looked at Walmart roses a couple of times. They got exactly what they paid for, cheap roses.

My primary complaint about Walmart is that they put the squeeze on their suppliers to what I consider an unreasonable degree, making it next to impossible for their suppliers to make a modest profit. It is my personal opinion that Walmart is consistent in all their business practices; while careful to stay legal, they meet my definition of unethical.

I do shop at other discount big box stores (though not for roses). Who does not like to save money? But I avoid Walmart.

Rosefolly

Just to clarify, I don't routinely buy roses (or anything else) from Walmart, so the "we keep buying them" does not apply. I usually purchase roses from small, local nurseries, as well as the San Antonio ARE, plus mail order via Pickering, Ashdown, and a couple of other privately owned rose vendors. I certainly didn't mean to step on any toes.

You didn't, Petra, nor did I intend to step on yours or anyone else's. But, we do keep buying "them". Read these forums. "We" as participants in these forums post regularly, frequently about purchasing the body bag roses; the bulk, dried out bare roots in huge crates; nearly dead things from sources not generally thought of as 'rose sources'. The public at large does it to the degree it remains profitable. I understand and applaud your frequenting the rose sources around you. Without you and OUR support, they are history faster than they may become. Kim

Yes, I agree that our small rose vendors need support and I fully intend to supply that support again once the drought is over.