Mr. Lincoln own root vs. grafted?
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Grafted vs Own Root after winter
Comments (30)Each region of the country is a little different.. From wasted amounts of dollars in north east, I can tell you, that HTs, floribundas, grandiflorias, etc.. just do not hack it year after year.. Sure with deeply buried grafts and some winter covering, they will last longer, but after trying dozens of these varieties, I found one that did OK in my zone and that was Sunset Celebration, that would typically have around 6 inches of cane left, it did very well for 4-5 years and wasnt a complete blackspot disaster as well. Granted I havnt tried every variety, but where I had them was basically in front of the house at the time, I just wanted lower bushes becuase the windows were not high there. No worries there as they never got above 4-5 feet max in any giving year. I tried alot of the popular ones, ala Oklohoma, Mr Lincoln, Double Delight, Sunset Celebration, Christinan Dior, I cant really remember all of them now, Oh I know I had a Queen Elizabeth in there as well. I tried alot more including stuff like Victorian Spice. But I couldnt picture not buying repeat flowering varieties at the time.. I pictured dozens of blooms throughout the season. I spend hundreds of dollars on these.. none of them lasted more than 4-5 years really. Then I discovered gardenweb, I also relized that my garden season is pretty short, mid june to late august. A OGR rose that blooms for 4-6 weeks can be a third of my season. Alot of these also are highly fragrant, BS resistand and hardy. I basically order 4-5 hardies now and a couple of moderns a year or remonont ones that I try to keep alive. Even though I had very good success with Austins in my zone 5a (close to 4b garden) , they hated my move to my new house, I lost alot of these for some reason.. even though I didnt lose a one of my OGR's the austins after transplant just shrivled and died on me, except for the hardiest varieties, they all appears to have survived in thier pots covered over winter, but I guess they just didnt like it. Bucks did nothing for me, I tried over a dozen of these that died as well.. The one caveat is I didnt try some of the hardiest ones like applejack or quiteness, basically becuase I had two dozen austins at the time , alot were already pink or pink blends and I didnt see room on adding these. I tried all of the blends that looked nice to my eye, and they all died, winter sunset, prarie sunrise, harvest, honeysweet... etc.. none of them made it here. Its up to you, but to me, plant where you live, if your willing to take the losses, plant what you like. But there are hundreds of different roses that are hardier than HT's that have great form and fragrance, including OGR's and some modern shrubs. Silverkelt...See MoreThe Ingenious Mr. Fairchild: Own root vs. Budded?
Comments (8)Mine is own-root from Heirloom Roses, bought in October 2010, and why I've held on to this rose for so long is a mystery to me. It never did much, looked scrawny and gangly, with thin and wayward canes, and scarce blooms that didn't like the heat. romogen, it think it was a beautiful picture like yours that prompted me to hang in there, but if it doesn't perform this spring it's gone. It's canes are still thin and gangly, and I've wound them around three bamboo posts like a bird's nest in an effort to contain it. It does seem to be quite free of disease but that won't be enough to save it if the blooms don't look like yours or summersrhythm. At their best they really are splendid. Obviously I should have ordered this rose budded or not bothered at all....See MoreGrafted vs. own root, is own root truly more costly for growers to do?
Comments (12)Heirloom has New this year South Africa, but Chamblees had it last year. I find the price difference an insult on my intelligence. It's not double the price, it's more like 4 times. One of the last google reviews I read on Heirloom said they were the only place that sells own root roses. I don't know if the person was lying, or really doesn't know any better. Where would they even get an idea like that? I asked my husband how much those huge bags of Black Kow cost from last year, after seeing they had 1 pound of manure for almost 9 dollars. He informed me that the 50 lb bags were less than 5 dollars. Being a little overpriced doesn't annoy me that much, but that's not a little. They are ridiculous. I feel bad for anyone that is shopping there, if they think those are normal prices. I know it's probably a last resort for people that really want something not available elsewhere, but I wouldn't give them a dollar. The warranty description kind of contradicts it's self too. Everything that rings an alarm bell for shadiness is on that website. (at least for me) No judgement intended on anyone that likes them. Edit I agree Moses it can't be so expensive. A good example is ARE. Huge plants, for less than half that price. My order from ARE had canes as large as bare root grafted, yet were more than 50% cheaper than their 1 gal. I don't see how they are staying in business, but I guess you don't have to sell much at those prices....See MoreZ5 Midwest climbers? Own-root vs Grafted???
Comments (13)I had a big beautiful Dr. Huey (presumed). Cane hardy and bloomed reliably once every year. But I got on this forum and learned about repeat bloomers. So we took it out and I have been trying to get a climber going in it's place ever since. Dr. Huey, however, does not give up and keeps pushing sprouts up from root fragments. We have pulled them out multiple times per year every year but they keep coming. A couple of reasons we took Dr. Huey out were the color was too dark for this area and the canes kept intruding on the walkway and needed to constantly be pruned back. So I thought something smaller and more behaved would be good. Plus I was enamored with the thought of all season blooms in this spot. Maybe a climbing rose isn't right for this spot. Here is one part of one years growth Dr. Huey with 3 yrs growth of Fourth of July. Fourth of July is pathetic beside Dr. Huey. :-) I still have hope for Candy Land. I love her because her flowers stay around forever and a day. But she was not cane hardy in her first year. Matt says she grows big at a local event center so I'm going to see if she toughens up this year. She also has a naturally pleasing shape. So far her growth habit has been well behaved. Below is Candy Land (in the foreground) at 1 year old. Pic. taken Aug. 29 2021 and she was planted as a band from High Country Roses 5/20. But I have to agree that the Canadian Explorers are probably the way to go. I haven't gotten them as they are reported to be monsters and I was looking for a more well tamed rose for my spots. Behind Candy Land is Winnipeg Parks (the good looking bush with pink roses). She had been a fantastic rose for me. But of course not a climber. I do have one monster rose, Robusta, but it isn't a climber. It is in a spot with loads of room and fits well there. But after dealing with it, we are leery of adding another monster rose. Sally Holmes climbs for some but for me it is a bush that isn't cane hardy. Lady in Red is also not cane hardy for me. Above All is a new one, planted 6/20 so too early to tell. Here it is at one yr old. It got moved at the beginning of the year so isn't well established in this spot. I had a Pinata that didn't make it but was in a bad spot. When it died we replaced it with Above All which made it through the winter there but then we moved it to the rock rose bed early 2021 which is where the above picture is from. All mine are own root....See MoreUser
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