Nat, I don't mean to throw a monkey wrench into your list but I took out Ducher because I could not keep black spot off of it. Thrips loved it and so did the Japanese beetles. It was an underperformer for me, here in Atlanta. Others love it, so thatÂs just my experience. Gruss An Aachen is a great rose but he needs to be sprayed here if you want him to look good--if not, you're going to see a lot more cane. BUT, he does respond well to occasional spraying and he does bloom even when I let him get spotty. BelindaÂs Dream is also nice but does better with some spray. BTW, her blooms are much larger and more impressive in the cooler weather of the spring and fall. Of the ones youÂve listed, Marie Daly is the most disease resistant and has the most continual bloom. The fragrance also carries on the breezeÂwhich I really like. SdLM is another great rose. Mine does get some BS but with a little shot of anti-fungal spray every now and then, she does well. The blooms are beautiful and smell great. Neither SdLM or MD are very large, thoughÂboth maybe 3.5 to 4 feet tall and wide. What about Duchesse de Brabant? SheÂs on JeanÂs list that you mentioned and she made the Earthkind list in Texas. She has beautiful pink blooms that smell like raspberries to me. Mine is taller than wide but I've heard others report that their DdB are larger. I just went out and would call mine "lightly thorny". Although she does have some thorns, it seems like way less than others like her neighbor, Buff Beauty. Hope this information helps. Here is a link that might be useful: Duchesse de Brabant

I got an answer from Ohio state. Here it is: "I am the person in charge of the Rose Garden here at the OARDC. I have been forwarded your message and I am happy to say that I can answer your question. The rose on the page that you sent is called �New Dawn.� It grows very well for us here and we have it on all the fences. I hope that helps and have a great day! Kelly King" I was afraid of that. New Dawn DOES match the description of my rose very closely, as many have proposed in this forum. That's what prompted me to buy a New Dawn a few years ago, but it is not the same rose. New Dawn has a definite climbing habit, in fact it grew well all over our pergola, whereas the one I'm searching for had a bush habit, albeit with some arching canes suggesting that maybe it COULD be a climber. (My New Dawn was lovely but it didn't make it through one of our harsher winters, so I don't have it any more.) The fragrance of New Dawn, for one thing, does not match the fragrance of the one I'm searching for, for it had a much stronger fragrance. I'll try to come up with the other differences I found, as I can't remember them all right now. Perhaps I should pursue roses in the heritage/lineage of New Dawn? Ideas anyone?

I agree- Dr. Van Fleet. There was a huge bush next to our well where I grew up and it has always been one of my favorites. The one in our yard now was given to me by a neighbor long ago. I would like to try New Dawn- would love to have something like Dr. Van Fleet that reblooms.

looks like iceberg to me too, should be more white as the weather heats up, the pink on it usually shows up in cooler weather. And if it is, then yes it will be covered in flowers sooner or later, mine haven't put on their show yet this year.