Desperate for deep shade screen -- tough spot
shadey
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Ghislaine de Feligonde in deep shade--
Comments (21)What a pretty rose, and I enjoyed the photo of the Cape Cod house. As a child, I got to visit Nantucket Island and walk around for an afternoon and was delighted by all the roses. I passed this up before because I didn't think your rose was suitable for my zone (which I normally expect on this forum) but was surprised to see it is z5 at Ashdown. The shade aspect is impressive, need one that will perform reliably in shade maybe not as deep as that. The clematis, Polish Spirit, is blooming like crazy at the top, not a good time of day to take a photo. It was in a small pot last year, and I had trouble finding one. It needs a rose in front of it to break the uninteresting vertical lines as was the original plan. Maybe 4+ hours is all it gets there. I gave away the Graham Thomas because it wasn't doing much. Now I could move Thomas Affleck there but don't think it will bloom enough and is not filled out very well where it is now, odd shape. I'm afraid to move Hettie there because I have no idea if she will tolerate shade but needs moving. So my present two choices might be Ghislaine or one called Daybreak which is more yellow but same type of rose. The main problem is with Jap beetles, both would be a bad, and I am saving myself a lot of grief by cutting all the buds off. Could I do that with Ghislaine and/or Daybreak (still lean toward the latter because it is yellow)? I think they both repeat. Or one of the Austins for my zone that is supposed to tolerate shade. I like the clusters on these others though, don't have any quite like that. Ballerina might do well but it's not what I want for there. If Polish Spirit will bloom this well for no more sun than it gets, what might that mean for a rose? I have to get something in there plus the soil is somewhat gravelly but otherwise ok especially if I work some more compost in. I'll probably have to wait until spring to order now which may be just as well. I don't mean to hijack a thread, but while I was out there, I grabbed a shot of my Stargazers. One thing about this forum that is so discouraging is that others get things working together better and generally have bigger yards and much nicer roses. I've gotten these white alyssum self seeding and making progress transplanting so they'll line the whole sidewalk, really like the effect. It makes me feel better about other things that aren't going as I had hoped at all. That ugly dog thing is my hose guide, should replace that before I trip over it, plus it's an eyesore. That ugly fence post I pounded in when my coreopsis fell over, need to get that out of there and those thinned out, didn't know they spread like they do. Also self seed....See MoreDeep Shade Ideas
Comments (15)Thanks for this post. I have only recently started being a backyard botanist and yes, have been tripping over my own two big feet, big size 15s, with frequency I might add. For a 51 year old guy who's loosing his eye-sight and can no longer fly airplanes and gets out to the mounts and back country less and less, even my favorite hobby of photography seems to need a supplement. And so, with a need to do something with a lot of landscaping probs, I turned to trying to solve some problemos on my own. The first big problem was that this place here in Bakersfield is covered by lots of maturing shade trees and the lower growing shrubs and flowers were suffering. Desert Daisy plants were turning into rags and the shade was so thick that most things under the canopy were doing poorly. So the expensive op of thinning the trees was done. But still, I was pressed to try and find plants that could tolerate shade and was particularly interested in adding color. Bakersfield has another problem which I learned quickly, temperature extremes, 90s and 100s in the summer and the occassional hard freeze in winter. Add to the problem mix the need to find tiered plants of varying heights and my first forray into gardening quickly becomes a tsunami of quests for answers, including experiments of many kinds, including cuttings, rhizome divisions and planting of various seeds. The failures are numerous, partly because of the oppressive heat messing with my ability to germinate. But there have been successes. One plant, A golden or Yellow Canna, Canna Flacida, was already established in a single clump here and I have spread it just since this Spring, into many corners of the landscape. It's hardy in Sunlight and Shade and has beautiful green spade shaped leaves and so, is attractive even when not flowering. But I've stuck in some exotics like Australian Tree Ferns and Cut Leaf Philodendrons. These do very well in shade, but can be tall. My first experiment with seeds were Medjool Date Palms from store bought dates, planted last October. I've got over a hundred baby date palms growing in pots right now. Don't know what to do with them all. They are very hardy. Even when the heat dries up their single blade leaves into brown needles, they are still alive and recover. But most of these experiments, excepting the Canna, are not flowering type plants and things are indeed, too green. The quest for color is a tough one. I've recently added some Douglas Iris that I got from Oregon and hope it does well in partial shade. I find rhizome producing plants are very hardy and both Canna and the Douglas and Pacific Hybrid Iris fall into this category. I want therefore to try Heliconias too, another rhizome type plant. And yes, Bird of Paradise do well here in sun or shade. I am happy to read above that Cyclamen are a good shade plant. I've seen these at Home Depot earlier this year and was immediately attracted to their brilliant colors. Nice. I'm going to give 'em a try. And I've also seen Clivia Miniata on the web and it seems to be a good candidate. I like those clumping plants and again, most rhizome producers fall into that category. I am even planning to order some clumping bamboo from an outfit up in Oregon to put in shady areas. This stuff however, gets to be anywhere from 15 to 30 feet tall and though not seeming as unmanageable as the running bamboo types, the height does imply a need for oversight. Thanks again for this input and I hope there's something in this post that returns the favor....See MoreLooking for a small shade tree in a tricky spot
Comments (14)Part of it depends on where in PNW poster is. In western WA vine maples are planted in all manner of situations, with some variation in results of course. Successful specimens in sunny locations fill in and make good screens. With large ones still being wild-collected locally, the much-desired instant screening is possible comparatively cheaply - nearly all other trees of comparable size seen with any frequency at retailers being nursery grown and much more expensive....See MoreDeep shade shrubs?
Comments (34)The original poster posed the question and was quite clear there was NO sun. Yet most of the entries offered are part shade to sun. Dry shade vs damp shade -- well, welcome to the Pacific Northwest where we have dry shade 3 or 4 months per year and wet shade through the rest; especially Oct - March! Finding the right plant is very difficult when dealing with deep shade. I agree with the post from the person who suggested you contact your county extension office, particularly a Master Gardener there; if they don't have the answer they have the resources to find out what is appropriate in your area. I was amused to see a couple of suggestions that are noxious weeds in Washington state!...See Moreshadey
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