Anyone who has ever grown Gingersnap would surely say Gingersanp, if they have not then they would not know that Gingersnap is pure orange and does not fade to pink.

Patrick

I vote for Dolly Parton. Not a prettier orange rose out there IMO and it smells like cloves.

I think "Camarillo Oriole" is.
But I can't tell you where to buy it.

It grows at a historic site here, and I am still trying to propagate it.

Jeri

Here is a link that might be useful:

If you're looking for another HT to replace ToC, take a look at 'Cary Grant' -- at least in my garden, it doesn't get much more orange than him . . . And then there's 'Queen Beatrix', but I believe she's now no longer available to U.S. gardeners.

I will suggest Kordes' Brilliant.

I am on an ongoing quest for really true orange roses... unfortunately, there aren't that many of them. I much prefer ultra-fragrant roses, but that's not common in true orange roses.

Flora Danica (my #1), Bettina (my #2), Gingersnap (my #3), Brass Band, Cary Grant, Pat Austin, New Year, Livin' Easy, Folklore, High Sheriff, Louise Clements, L'Oreal Trophy, Brandy & Just Joey (both on the apricot side as they fade but pretty much pure orange at the start), Caramella (the 2002 Kordes one, a tad dark but pretty much orange).

I have lots of other roses that are almost orange, but have too much coral or apricot or red for me to consider them true oranges.

No offense, but I think Dolly is way too dark to be considered an orange rose, although it is one of my faves.

Yay for orange roses! We need more of them :-D

Susan

I would have to say Charisma for a HT, Playboy for a F, and Kismit for a MFl. They are not pure orange, but all have alot of orange in them.

Gingersnap is quite a true orange.

I empathize with your plight. I too have sought after true orange roses, often with little success.

The roses in my garden that have come closest are:

Tropicana - Savage thorns but a substantial scent and good even color.

Fragrant Cloud - Depending on the weather this one can be a bright orange or a strange hue or orange. The scent can't be beat!

Artistry - Lighter reverse is more apricot but dark side is a bright orange.

Tuscan Sun - One of the lighter oranges I own.

Happy hunting and thanks for bringing up the discussion!

Adrian.

Vavoom! is a spectacular orange as is Brass Band. For a HT I'd go with Cary Grant. Crown Princess Margerita is also a true orange.

True orange is in the eye of the beholder. Artistry for me has always been coral and I would call Tuscan Sun an adobe color.
For my eyes, my truest oranges are Pure Poetry, Outrageous, and Samaritan. Of course, they are blends, being primarily orange. I could also add Hot Romance.
I have found that climate dramatically affects color, in some cases.
Oranges are so much fun, why not get a bunch?
Kathy

Orange Floribundas -- Livin' Easy and Marmalade Skies

Hybrid Teas -- Cary Grant and Christopher Columbus

Thank you all so much for your suggestions. Some of those oranges almost look too good to be true! And Yes, I have found that the climate might affect the color as well. My Mr. Lincolns turn out lavender and even deep magenta flowers from time to time. I don't really know why.

Also, I think that a person's color vocabulary/usage might affect their perception, at least in a small way. My husband calls many objects "orange" that I would call buff, apricot, peach, coral, pumpkin, scarlet....you know what I'm saying. We all have different ideas about orange.

My next step - finding The Most Orange Rose on Fortuniana.

If I get an orange rose that turns out to be, well, corally or pinky, then I'll just have to buy more varieties and "test" them in my garden...Ha Ha!

A picture of Kordes' Brilliant for you to ponder:

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Today is a bright orange with a yellow reverse. It is hot vibrant orange.
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I'm with Bustopher. There is nothing more orange than Kordes Brilliant. Also there is a climber called Orange Velvet that is very orange.

That Kordes Brilliant is beautiful, a true orange for sure!
But HMF states it is a dark red and only one picture there to go by....how strange. Is there another Brilliant by Kordes?

The dark red Brilliant by Kordes is a hybrid tea that goes back to 1952. The rose I have in my picture I have by the English spelling of the German name which is Kordes' Brillant dating from 1983. The German spelling leaves out the second "i". It can be sold under both spelling versions. You will find the rose under the German name in HMF. Just watch the spelling when you look for it. I love this rose; it is a real light bulb.

Thank you for clearing that up for me bustopher, I didn't even think it could be a different spelling.

These are two are the most orange of my oranges...'Orange Ruffles' from Hortico and Maria Stern.

I am sharing my orange-yellow blends on the other thread if anyone is interested in checking them out.

Celeste

MARIA STERN....

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ORANGE RUFFLES.....(my camera makes it look reddish-orange but it is actually true bright dark orange).

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CLOSE-UP OF ORANGE RUFFLES....

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Celeste

I second the vavoom. It is the color of orange juice and does not fade.

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Remember me is also a good orange, though it does fade to a lighter shade.
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I have a ton of orange blends but my best true orange is Fragrant Cloud. And it smells delicious too!

I have Marmalade Skies but they are coral, not true orange. They fade to pink.

Driving around the growing grounds at Otto and Sons last year and seeing many of the same roses in big groups made me think that Gingersnap was the most orange rose, but not the brightest in the orange range. Vavoom appeared brighter in the sun.

Trumpeter. It has the boldest orange I have had, and is not really pretty. Such an intense orange clashes with too much.

How about a floribunda called Orangeaid

Check out all these roses by picture on HMFRoses.

Of those listed above that I have, Gingersnap is the only true orange (as in crayon orange) that I have. I can tell you that Fragrant Cloud and Tropicana open red-orange and fade to coral. Brass Band and Tuscan Sun have true orange on them but they are multicolored and fade to a peachy color. I do not have Kordes, but it is also true orange.

Good luck,
Gary

Here is a link that might be useful: HMFRoses

I don't regard it as a "true orange" because the underside of the petals has some dark coral pink in it (for me), but I nonetheless adore Fragrant Cloud, and absolutely recommend it!! I have it at the edge of a shady area and the blooms just pop against the shady background!

(My Fragrant Cloud blossoms don't really fade, although they lose intensity as they gracefully age, but I live in a cool summer climate with high's mostly in the 70's or 80's, except when there's a heat wave.)

We used to have a rose called 'Marina', and it was really bright orange. I've been thinking I'd like to buy it again even though I was the one who dug it up. (In my youth I hated orange flowers.) I don't know if it's available, but it's worth looking up on helpmefind. A really orange miniature is 'Holy Toledo' that is widely available mailorder.

My best oranges are Vavoom, Gingersnap, Cary Grant, Prominent, and Wildfire.
These are brilliant orange and tend to hold their color quite well without fading as they age.
John

The climbing floribunda Westerland is quite a nice color, definitely orange without being harsh.

Rosefolly

Vavoom! Color is closest to the oranges on my tree.
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Wildfire, Octoberfest (some golden yellow, also)

Hey..I have been planting an orange, yellow and apricot rose bed. How about an update on how your oranges are doing

Chihuly for a yellow-orange blend:

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Also Yankee Doodle for a blend:

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Vavoom for sure. I think it's the truest orange out there. It's solid orange, not a blend.

The brightest orange rose that I've seen is LIVING EASY (Floribunda, 1992).

I have lots of orange, cause I love these bright roses. The truest orange in my garden is Kordes Brilliant (1983 version). There's a pic on HMF by Henrique Rodriguez that captures the true color. I will vouch for the accuracy of the color in this photo -- it really is this color. And there is no fading, ever. Got mine at Vintage, last year, and I see it's still on their "currently available" list.

I recommend this one.

Kathy

Here is a link that might be useful: Kordes Brilliant (1983 version)

Poppy:
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This is one of my seddlings:

http://picasaweb.google.com/HAKuska/HenrySRoses#5068891277899026578

Here is a link that might be useful: Orange seedling

Here in San Diego my Fragrant Cloud is not orange but a red. And today, not very far from my house, I saw my Dads first Gingersnap blooms and they had pink in the orange. Hmmmm. Gorgeous of course!
I love the oranges, two distinct clear oranges, of my About Face. The colors are very consistent on this bush too. You gotta have About Face, oh yeah and healthy!

Allison

That Kordes Brilliant is beautiful,Poppy is really nice also. I will have to look into them also, Pumpkinpatch.

I love bright colors and was really impressed with the orange-juice orange of Vavoom at Regan's Nursery. They have thousands of roses there, but Vavoom was definitely the orangest. But I can see how it might not "play well with others." You would need to develop your color scheme around it.

Henry, that's a lovely orange rose! And I see you have a whole page full of your seedlings. Very impressive!

I was looking for this thread! DH has been begging me for an orange rose. I have Pat Austin, but he wants hot orange. I also have Fragrant Cloud, but that can be a bit on the red side.

We recently went to Ashdown and they had a rose called Belmont Orange. It has it's first blooms on it. I'll try to get a picture.

I feel your pain and longing. I too am searching for the perfect orange rose. And I know exactly what you mean when you say orange, you seem to be as particular and specific as I am when I think of orange. I think a lot of people look at all of the shades you mentioned and just think 'orange'. A problem I see is that a lot of orange roses fade to pink,coral, peach, or apricot, even if they start out pure orange.(all that being said, I do love coral) I was very excited when I saw "Pumpkin Patch" in the Edmunds Roses catalog. From the pictures it seemed to range from a sort of earthy, rich, burnt orange sort of color, to a vivid golden orange touched with brown, not the bright orange that we seem to love, but I thought the color was novel and fit the name perfectly. And I do love warm, earthy, autumnal colors too(I'd like to do a bed in those shades). But after looking through pictures on the internet of "Pumpkin Patch", boy was that a disappointment! It's odd, whenever there are flowers with names that have to do with pumpkins or Halloween, they are either yellow, or some sort of pale apricot or peach sort of color. How odd is that?

From the suggestions above, and the pictures I've seen, its seems that 'Vavoom', and 'Lourdes Brilliant' seem to be be the best, IMHO. "Orange Ruffles' seems to be a good one too. I haven't seen this one in person, but a gardening book of mine recommends "Warm Welcome", which is a single, climbing rose, although it does seem to be on the reddish side of the orange spectrum.

No one has mentioned Fred Loads. A tall, lusty floribunda with lots of oomph.

It stands out from the crowd. You can see it from far away.

Daisy

Fred Loads

https://www.shootgardening.co.uk/plant/rosa-fred-loads

I have a lot of orange roses. Here's a few...

CARIBBEAN

EASY DOES IT

HIGH SHERIFF

OCTOBERFEST

ORANGE JUICE

SEVENTH HEAVEN

SHREVEPORT

SUNDOWNER