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Mme. Joseph Schwartz or Kronprinzessin Viktoria?

13 years ago

I am interested in obtaining Mme Joseph Schwartz or Kronprinzessin Viktoria this Spring. Last year, Duchesse de Brabant and SdlM were two of my best performing roses, always looking happy and in bloom, so I am interested in their sports.

I've read conflicting reports about Mme JS and very little about KV. Which would you recommend?

Thanks

Maureen

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jacqueline9CA
13 years ago
We have an old plant of Mme Joseph Schwartz growing in our garden - best guess is that it was planted in the 1970s. It is growing in partial shade. Gets no care other than a once a year feeding, and pruning then if it needs it. Because of the shade, it does not bloom profusely, but it almost always has some bloom on it (like right now included). The blossoms are typical tea - delicate, graceful soft white with sometimes showing a bit of pink when in bud. It has grown to be 3 feet wide and about 4 feet tall. I think in full sun in this climate it would grow larger and bloom more. It has had no pest of disease problems in the last 22 years that I have been living here. I would recommend it highly. It is hard to tell from your post what climate zone you are in - is it zone 6? If it is, you might want to check on the hardiness of this rose, as it is a tea.

jackie
sergeantcuff
Original Author
13 years ago
Jackie - I am in zone 6B but I think (hope?) that I have a warmer microclimate. I have a smallish garden (1/4 acre) on a hill with fencing and hedging. The five or so teas I grow are all between 1-3 years old and have done very well. ( I do protect them a little). I meant to wait before buying others, but I can't help myself as many of my other rebloomers have been real duds - especially early HTs that I have tried.

I do not know why my zone is scrambled, I see that problem next to some, but not all posters,
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I love Kronprincessin Viktoria I bought it about 5 years ago from Chamblees it's constantly in bloom from May to November. It did not remian small either this is my friend Kitt standing next to it in my garden It's about 5.5 by 3 wide wide
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jaspermplants
13 years ago
I'm in hot, dry Phoenix area so my experience may not apply to your climate. Mme Joseph Schwartz is probably my favorite rose. It blooms all the time with beautiful, delicate blooms, just like Jackie said. Lovely, lovely rose.
I also have SDLM, not Kronprincess Viktoria (but would love to have it if I had room), and it is also one of my favorite roses. Beautiful blooms all the time, except when we have rain, which isn't very often.

If I had to choose, and I'm glad I don't, I'd choose Mme Joseph Schwartz as I love love love tea roses. There is just something about them...
harborrose_pnw
13 years ago
Maureen, since both SDLM and DDB do well for you, I would buy both roses you're asking about. How's that for good advice??
michaelg
13 years ago
KpV is outstanding in my zone 6b, but she has not actually gone through subzero temperatures.

Compared to other white roses, KpV is highly resistant to petal blight/balling and somewhat resistant to thrips. Growth habit and bloom habit are fairly similar to SDLM, but the young foliage is yellowish-green, Be sure to allow at least 3' width. My plant is about 42" by 42".

Can't help you with MJS..
paddlehikeva
13 years ago
Hi Maureen,

Mme. Joseph Schwartz is one of the top performers in my garden. It is in a fairly prime location. It gets sun all afternoon, as well as the water which runs off from my air conditioner, it has a nearly constant water drip all summer long. I have only had it about 3 years, and it is about 3 feet wide and 4 feet tall. I love it. KpV has been in my pot ghetto for way too long, considering that, it does quite well. I will be putting it in the ground during the February thaw (I hope).

Kathy zone 6b Virginia (not far from Connie)
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13 years ago
I'm with harborrose. Both!
ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
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I have both in my garden (which is hot and dry, much different from yours, I'm sure) and really like them both, but have a slight preference for the Mme. because of her graceful habit and more cupped blooms. KV does not have cupped blooms like SdlM, if that is a consideration. Mme. also has a pinkish tinge to her blooms whereas KV is more uniformly white. Mme. is quite a bit taller for me, although I've had her longer than KV, with the graceful, drooping foliage and branches, like her mama, Duchesse de Brabant. If you have the room, I concur that getting both is not a bad idea, since they really are two quite different roses.

Ingrid
sergeantcuff
Original Author
13 years ago
Thank you for all the great responses. Good reports from all over! I am leaning towards getting both. I am worried about having too many tender roses, as a harsh winter could wipe them all out. But then I think, well, I don't know what's going to happen to ME tomorrow, if you know what I mean.

Just last night, I stumbled upon some history about this the real KV. My 7th grader was working on some science homework about genetics. He had a chart of "some Russian family" as he put it, so I was trying to refresh my memory about Victoria and her daughters and I was led to our princess.

Labrea - your pictures are always so great. I always enjoy your input, here and on HT (i just lurk there,). It's fun to look something up on HMF and see pictures from forum friends.

Ingrid - I assumed that that KV had cupped blooms. I just glanced at the pics on HMF. I also didn't know it was as big as Labrea shows.

Kathy - I'm know we met at Connie's.

Thanks again everyone
Maureen

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