Dont have Eden. I grew Benjamin Britten a long time ago - I think it needed more sun - grew octopus arms and didnt bloom that much - dug it up and potted it, it must have died and I didnt replace it. I have tried 2 Alister Stella Grays - they were both teeny tiny plants and didnt thrive, but I hope to get a bigger plant and try it - heard good things. I have a Crown Princess Margareta - ordere last year, potted for awhile, planted in the fall. Its growing well, am seeing a couple of blooms. So far....I like it. Re Austins - new for me this year are England's Rose - it was a new bareroot and just simply covered with pretty candy pink blooms! Wollerton Old Hall hasnt bloomed yet but covered in healthy buds and lots of them. Fighting Temerarie is just starting to open - lovely apricot - very healthy. Abe Darby is a real favorite, got another of those this year - covered in buds. Darcey Bussell just started blooming - lovely! Princess Alexandra of Kent has alot of buds - bush isnt as big as Wollerton Old Hall, Fighting Temerarie, Darcey Bussell or Abe Darby, but healthy and coming on. Princess Anne is growing well, no buds yet. I love the noisettes - ordered a bunch of rare ones from Vintage Gardens - looking forward to getting them to big plants in pots then planting them in the ground - preserving these that wont be available after the Vintage closing. There are so many roses that do well in Texas [be sure and mulch well during heat of summer!] that you shouldnt have a problem finding more than you have room to plant. I have a huge pot ghetto.......and have plans for about 5 more raised beds to hold more. Have fun!! Judith

Maybe we need some more accurate definition of "deep shade". That previous picture of June didn't look like what I would call "deep shade"; it looks to me more like "dappled" something. I would think "deep shade" would mean no rays of direct sun at all, and even not very bright....(but maybe it's just me that's not very bright.....) Is there a link to good definitions of the various light levels we use to describe what works and what doesn't?

Your choices here in the PNW are not exactly limited :-) Pieris, rhododendrons and azaleas, skimmia, aucuba, winter daphne, sarcococca, Viburnum davidii and camellia will all tolerate significant shade although may not bloom heavily if too strong a shade. If only partial shade, your list will increase dramatically - Nandina, lonicera nitida, Mexican orange, the boring box and Japanese holly, euonymus, etc, etc, etc............. Any good local nursery should have a full selection available in the next few weeks, if not already in stock.

Hi everyone, I live in a climate that doesn't allow me to grow citrus outside, so I have to bring all my plants inside for the winter. As you can imagine, citrus doesn't really like entire weeks with no sun during winter, so I managed to lose every citrus I've tried growing over the years (2 x Nagami kumquat, calamondin, Lisbon lemon), apart from a Meyer lemon that barely survived with 3 leaves left. Artificial light isn't much of an option, so I am interested in finding a type of citrus that is more shade tolerant and can maybe get through weeks of 8h/day of indirect light (indirect because it's overcast all winter). I've heard that limes do better with lower light than most citrus, but the only ones I can find in my area are Citrus hystrix, which contains a lot of a compound that interacts with medication, so I'm not too pumped about it and Rangpur lime, which is not really a lime, so I don't think I can rely on what I heard about lime shade tolerance. I'd love to hear about other citrus types and your experiences. Thank you.