Pleasant Hill Cemetary, Marechal Niel, etc

14 years ago

Pleasant Hill Cemetary -

I'm really happy with this climbing rose. See how it went right up through my structure and cascaded down? Beautiful.

Many climbers are not flexible enough to do that.

Vintage has this as a Tea Noisette... doesn't look like one of those to me. No Tea in it.

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Marechal Niel-

Finally got a good one! This one is from Chamblee's. I'm glad I took the risk with it. I had already lost at least 2, one of THEM from Chamblee's. The rain kind of makes it ball.

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Prosperity-

There's a tripod under there! Buff Beauty is in the back ground. Psycho the cat is drinking from the bird bath.

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Larmarque-

I really should have pruned Lamarque this year. That's Prosperity in the background. And my new dog that wandered into the garden on Saturday hungry.

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Thanks for looking!

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paparoseman
14 years ago
Yes I also have Pleasant Hill and whatever class it goes into it sure is a nice climber for training. Very nice looking garden you have.

Lance
zeffyrose
14 years ago
You have a wonderful collection of great roses.

Florence
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Sherry, my Crepuscule is just been sitting there as well. I have very high hopes it is one of those that has to get settled in good before shooting up like a rocket. My Jaune Desprez is another story, growing as a large pillar rose. Our winters keep her pruned to a reasonable size. I guess the only thing about her that I am not too crazy about is how long her laterals get, growing out at a 45 dgree angle from the main canes and easy to snap off. I probably have her too constrained growing up one side of that narrow arbor. But she is a great beauty, mutable shades according to temp and light, a bloom machine. Very healthy. My Lamarque is shooting up finally, after 3, maybe 4 years. Very healthy, beautiful ivory-tinged-with-cream flowers. The frost keeps her nipped as well. My Reve d'Or is still a baby, but growing well. MAC is a monster, healthy and beautiful. Celine Forestier is not looking so hot as of late, I think she needs a good, reviving pruning. Nastarana, well I have gotten so far as to prune Mermaid down (blood, bandages, colorful language). Reckon she is considered a briar rose? LOL Those basals are tree like, truthfully I don't really know how it is going to go from here. And super to hear about your good luck with the Vintage GdD, hope she will work for me. How long have you have her?
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rosymominzone9, we're all whistlin' in the wind until we see whatcher working with, both in terms of your exisiting garden and your plant list. OGR's aren't one thing. Yes, structures are wonderful if you like spending time in the garden fussing, trimming and tidying. Almost everything that you'd want to grow on a structure can be grown as a ginormous shrub instead and especially informally supported by a perimeter fence on one side only, cascading down in front. It's a matter of your time, space and age. Me, I grow anything that doesn't crawl as a "haystack," i.e. a big shrub, so I don't have to spend hours each and every year (a) on a ladder wielding sharps, and (b) tying, pruning and training throughout the growing season. When you're willing to put in that time commitment year after year, every year without exception, the results on structures are stunning. The proviso with big haystacks is that experience teaches us that you need to have some access to the basal canes underneath to periodically remove old wood. See, climbing roses grown as shrubs will kill off an infrsastructure underneath to form their own scaffolding and then grow to almost indeterminant size if you don't exercise some control. Corrals work wonderfully and don't involve climbing to the top of a ladder while dodging prickly canes, armed with scissors and twine. You need to study gardens. Grow out your bands in 5 gallon pots for a month and visit great gardens in your area to see both what the mature plants look like and to see who they are trained. Planting roses next to a path can be done, assuming that means planting them at least 6 feet away from the path and they are carefully selected. Zone 9 roses will grow 2 to 3 times larger than the the sizes listed in most rose books. The exception is polyanthas, which are outstanding front-of-the-border roses, both because of more moderate size and outstanding rebloom. Post some cell phone shots of the garden as is and let's see the list of roses in the same post. We may be able to save you some of the mistakes we've all made.
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Since my climate is a bit similar to UK, it seems that with teas a problem is not that much caused by our winters or lack of heat in the summer, but rather late spring freezes and temperature fluctuations in early spring. Overhere we can get very warm February (up to +15C) and some roses break dormancy, just to get zapped by late frosts in March/April. It is my constant cause of frustration with hydrangeas, since if the new growth freezes, it is whole season of meh. It seems that you have to winter protect teas and chinas here at least for the first years to get some of the more woody canes, when settled they have way less problems with the climate. Own root probably would be a better option as well, since even if it is not cane hardy, it can grow back. I know somebody attempting to grow Lady Hilingdon climber 50 miles more inland from here and apparently it comes through the winter undamaged, but late spring, especially when wet, often is what kills it to the ground. It grows back and blooms though with no problem, so you get some sort of perennial rose. I am going to try a few chinas/more tender noisettes this season, so will see if it is possible to grow it here, although I am going to wrap them into agricultural fleece for the winter. I will go for own roots, but if to get it grafted I would vote for getting it from Trevor White, although Beales ones did for me almost as good. ;)
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
14 years ago
You have a wonderful collection of climbers. Your picture makes me want to try Marechal Niel, which I've never had the courage to do before. Your persistence has paid off. I hope you'll post more pictures of your garden; it looks wonderful.

Ingrid
harborrose_pnw
14 years ago
Just beautiful, Carrie. I love the way Pleasant Hill cascades.
cweathersby
Original Author
14 years ago
Thanks everyone.
Pleasant Hill and Renae are now my 2 favorite climbers - and I have quite a few. But those 2 are so flexible they put all the other climbers to shame!

Ingrid- MN is way better once it gets hot around here. The blooms look better, they smell better. Maybe it would do well for you since you don't have much of a winter.
aimeekitty
14 years ago
totally beautiful!
vuwugarden
14 years ago
I like them all, but LOVE "Marechal Niel," the yellow rose?

I can't tell from the photo, but does it have large blooms? I'm a sucker for large blooms, so when I dive in for a wiff, my whole face is embedded in the bloom :)
cweathersby
Original Author
14 years ago
Large blooms for an antique climber. Not as large as Austins. The trellis is 6 or 7 ft if you want a size comparison.
ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
14 years ago
I was curious as to what else you grew and looked at your list of roses. Wow! Very impressive and well-chosen. You're the only person I'm aware of who grows Heideroeslein. Mine is gone, alas, since it couldn't stand the heat here. I see you have many, many teas, which are also the main focus of my collection. You must have at least 200 roses. I'm assuming you garden on a large property since your rose bushes are so large. I hope to see more of your beautiful roses.

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cweathersby
Original Author
14 years ago
Thank you, Ingrid. I think I got the cutting of Heideroslein from Melva. I'll post some pictures since it's starting to bloom now.
I live on 2 acres, but most of my plants aren't roses! And I do water gardening too. Most of the roses are in 2 rose gardens, kept separate from the rest of the garden and surrounded by evergreens cause I can't stand to see them during the winter.
buffington22
14 years ago
Beautiful roses! I have a 3-4 y/o MN on my fence.This is the first year with major blooming and he has been fabulous! We had very little rain in late March and April until last weekend. The pale yellow blooms were so pretty and full. Now they are balling and looking like wet tissue! The foliage is good too.

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