"...I couldn't pass up a chance to riff with fatplant..." That was why I asked what I was missing. Although I've heard a lot of info that I've disagreed with over the years from others, I was baffled at what you were saying. It didn't sound at all like you! ;~) "...my whole family is saddened by the very visible effects logging has on our community." ' I, too, have been horrified at the logging going on around me! :~( It was all but shut down, until 'shrub' campained his "Healthy Forests" scam up here. I can be arrested if I collect Cyps, Darlingtonias, etc, but it's acceptable to run over them with a Caterpillar! Virtually all of the fishing streams are protect from fishing, but it's fine to fill them with silt from the logging runoff. It's all being sent to Japan anyway and doing the locals no good, especially in the long run. It's like trying to protect the "Golden Goose" and being out voted by the other geese!:~( "I collect natives for my personal collection and for conservation." Good for you!! :~) I have no problems with responsible stewardship! Someone has to do it. Most of the horror seems to come from those that are just professional protesters and don't actually do much. You do know that 'shrub' has added mining, officially, to the list of forest activities. I'd rather have logging any day!;~) If you're interested, I added a link to a set of photos of my local SW Oregon natives that I've found. Here is a link that might be useful: Native Orchids/Plants

Thanks, Brooke, good to know. I questioned them and they replied that phytosanitary certificate and other paperwork is included. Some one else, on a different forum said that these Chinese Cyps have a 100% mortality rate. Pretty strong statement, if even close to being true, the US plants seem a better bet. Not a high priority for me, will pass. The bulbs from Canada came with CITES, phyto and were marked 'Plants'. They also sell Cyps but are fairly expensive. Here is what they say about US shipments: U.S. Customers and Orders: We ship to all of the Continental U.S. All prices are in U.S. Funds for U.S. customers or if the Canadian Dollar is above parity, all prices will be in Canadian Funds. We expect to ship U.S. orders every 4 weeks in Spring and Fall this year. We may increase the frequency depending on demand. Every order to the U.S. requires a Phytosanitary Certificate, which is $17.00 and usually this is the only extra cost. However, if you order any of the plants covered under C.I.T.E.S ($7.00) (Orchids, Tree Ferns, Cyclamen, Sarracenias etc.), which control the movement of endangered species we have to get, and charge for a C.I.T.E.S certificate. The cost of this will vary depending on what is ordered. The minimum order for the U.S. is $75.00 worth of plants. For those who want to visit the nursery and pick up an order, give us your order at least a week ahead of time so we can get the necessary documents in order. All U.S. orders must have a contact phone number. Nick

Kemistry, I agree with you, Lotus has the mesmerizing power and brings good memories. Simple flower held above water, graceful and powerful wrapped together like a queen! Fenius, this is a good thought with the hidden danger of addiction.I find myself reading this post often and adding plants to my list and it needs to stop. While there are many fragrant i would like to grow, a lack of space & brutal winters let me have only these few. I rated my fragrant list with ease of growing (with my brown thumb). 1.Tuberose - Wafting, increases at night, most enchanting for me as it brings sweet childhood memories. Never demanding, so rewarding! 2.Jasmines - Maid - Plenty of flowers and it even blooms indoors in winter and a sweet strong fragrance; Belle - not too powerful yet a sweet fragrance; Grandiflorum - Soft fragrance,very pleasant and wafts very well. Nitidum - Clean & sweet, but as Robert mentioned, I wish it were stronger. Molle - Strong Gardenia like fragrance . 4. Roses - Autumn Damask -Wicked thorns but Great Fragrance; Fragrant cloud, Chryler Imperial, Sunsprite,Blue Moon, Just joey ,Angel face ,Mr.Lincoln new this year for me - Double delight - Strong fragrance + Beautiful colour 5.Herbs - Lavender, Holy Basil,Plectaranthus ambonicus, artemisia, marjoram 6. Eucharis Amazonica - Does not waft but a simple and elegant fragrance, It gives me a grand feeling to be able to grow this plant, such beautiful shiny GREEN hosta like leaves and needs very little care and has even bloomed twice for me in once year and does not need repotting often. 7.Aglaia - FRESH lemon scent but only if it wafts. 8. Oleander - I like the fragrance and it needs little care but takes much space during the winter. 9. Stephanotis -Nice jasmine like fragrance Brunfelsia Americana - If it flowers which is not too often for me (my luck) but such a nice intoxicating, clove fragrance. Not on my top ten because: Murraya Exotica -easy to grow but too strong & fruity for my nose, like it because it brings some winter cheer. Gardenias -Absolutely love the fragrance but has been a PAIN to grow with truck loads of disappointments. Cestrum - I am done with it for life. Just an awful fragrance to my nose............... Felt so bad since it was so less demanding and flowering profusely. Wrightia - has been two years and No bloom in sight.

Thanks!! :~) Some of the photos I got while I was driving my cousin around on a exploring day trip! I really wasn't sure how they'd come out. Some of the others, I took yesterday. After a trip to the Vet, one of my Boxers went with me on the way home to get some photos of the closer ones. Although there was some poison oak at my closest spot, it was nothing like the other area! I HATE poison oak!! Scott