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Comments (58)I actually agree with Eric that that's not a dodge on packaging by the FDA. Since anyone can claim anything on a package it's good to know what has and what has not been tested and found accurate by the FDA (even if they aren't the most stringent agency out there!). Otherwise anyone could say anything on the box "cures cancer" or "makes you beautiful" and consumers would believe it to be true because the box says so. But... I also have really big issues with the long list of side effects. For me personally I'd rather try (first) for, example, sleep issues: aromatherapy, massage, yoga, chammomile tea... etc... (ie things that have not perhaps been clinically studied and double blind tested) than say, Ambien, which may cause me to do things while sleeping that I have no memory of the next day, may cause severe allergic reaction, or a host of other side effects like: Daytime drowsiness Dizziness Diarrhea Difficulty with coordination Lightheadedness Dry mouth Heart palpitations Tiredness Inflammation of the sinuses (sinusitis) Unexplained rash Abnormal dreams # Suicidal thoughts # Confusion # More outgoing or aggressive behavior than normal # Strange behavior # Depression (see Symptoms of Depression) # Hallucinations (seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not really there) # Agitation or restlessness # Fainting # Slurred speech # Coordination problems # Vision changes I would rather go by the low-dose, herbal knowledge that has been passed on and is based on historical evidence rather than clinical evidence because all the clinical evidence tells me is that in this case, if ambien were my only choice I think I'd rather have insomnia. I appreciate evidence-based medicine principles and think they are good. But I don't think the resulting medicines are necessarily better. Having standardized methods for determining effectiveness of drugs is great, prevents a lot of unnecessary deaths and injuries and enables a more comprehensive idea of what truly does and doesn't work. But, if chamomile tea does help me sleep, and there is no proof yet from the scientists, does it make the tea work less? Perhaps it is the placebo effect. Personally, if it is placebo, and there is not harm done, no outrageous cost, I'd rather sip my tea than pop a pill. Relying on testimonials for minor health issues is not dangerous if done with prudence (as with any health recommendations followed, including those from a licensed physician). The answer is that no one knows the answer yet....See MoreNeed Specific Herbs
Comments (58)"Actually eric it is well proven, people with a warm fuzzy outlook has less medical problems and heal quicker" What I was referring to was evidence that "positive thinking" doesn't necessarily help you to live longer, and advice to think warm sunshiny thoughts actually puts pressure on some patients who are made to feel responsible for being sick. "'The take-home message from this study is that..."It does not provide significant evidence that (group therapy and positive attitudes) helps (patients with breast cancer) live longer.' Reaction from those in the cancer care community include some who say these latest findings raise doubts about the mind-body connection -- the idea that a good result is only possible with a positive attitude. And Holland said that attitude can be hard to come by for a patient dealing with cancer treatments. "I've had one patient who tells me that if one more person tells me to be positive I'm going to punch them in the nose. 'I've had enough of this positive business. I don't feel good today. Enough already,'" Holland explained. For Jan Kuba, who underwent chemotherapy, radiation and radical surgery, the idea that her attitude would affect the outcome presented unwelcome pressure. "I think, "Oh, those few times that I felt a little bit down, they're the ones that are going to kill me," Kuba said." The researcher that conducted this study acknowledged that group therapy might contribute to a better quality of life for breast cancer patients...but not a longer lifespan. oakleif, if you'd take your own advice and show a warmer fuzzier side (or at least stop the personal attacks and pointless insults), it might enhance qualify of life for yourself and for others visiting this forum....See MoreHerbs for High Blood Pressure
Comments (63)I realize that this is a dated thread. However, the last comment leaves a negative impression about herbal medicines. I have hypertension and an inquisitive and scientific mind and checked out Eric's conclusion that hawthorn is mutagenic. The mutagenic testing in the cited research paper was done with quercetin at 98% minimum purity purchased from Sigma Chemical Co. This study did not look at the many glycosylated forms of quercetin that are very prevalent with hawthorn. There are many publications that explain that hawthorn extract has many medicinal components. One recent summary goes into great detail about hawthorn's 49 distinct flavonoid compounds 5 hydroxycinnamic acids; six sugars; 10 organic or phenolic acids; 26 terpenes; and 56 essential oil constituents. Nature's pharmacy is awe-inspiring! I researched mutagenic testing on the hawthorn extract that is prepared for dosing patients. Sadly, I cannot find published data on the Ames test for hawthorn extract by itself. There is an interesting study where hawthorn is used in combination with valerian and passion flower. This study concludes that there are no harmful effects caused by the herbal mixture. The paper states " this extract does not posess any genotoxic or mutagenicity effect: both the Ames test and the micronuclei test presented negative results". Also, searching Pubmed shows many publications where hawthorn is safe and effective over the long term. I have the impression that Eric _OH dismisses ethnobotanical knowledge is being out of date and primitive. I disagree. I think that many of our ancestors were wise healers and lived long and productive lives with the help of herbal medicines. A 2012 review in Phytochemistry explains that many Indian tribes in numerous First Nations used hawthorn. The Meskwaki, Blackfoot, Ojibwa, Potawatomi, Okanagon, Okanagan-Colville, Iroquois, and Cherokee all used the berries and/or various decoctions of the shoots, roots, and bark of different Crataegus species. The Cherokee and Thompson also used decoctions of the bark as a heart medicine. In traditional Chinese medicine (TCM), hawthorn fruits are primarily used to improve circulation, remove blood stasis, and treat indigestion, diarrhea, abdominal pain, hyperlipidemia, and hypertension. In Europe, the fruits, leaves, and flowers were traditionally used in the treatment of heart problems for their antispasmodic, cardiotonic, hypotensive, and antiatherosclerotic effects. In summary, it appears to me that hawthorn is a great choice for treating hypertension. I hope to share personal experience once I wean myself off of Metoprolol with the help of my physician....See MoreFAQ - What is an Herb? (Request for Feedback)
Comments (20)I knew this would be a prickly one. When the topic of "what is an herb" has come up in the past, there has never been an agreement on what it is with regards to this forum. Some say "herbs" are only culinary herbs. Others have a more broader definition. I personally fall into the wider definition category. For the forum definition I see us only having 2 options - a very restrictive definition (e.g. culinary herbs) or broader and more expansive definition. Perhaps it might help to see how the Herb Society of America defines an herb. A couple more specific comments..... 1. We can not use a "botanical" definition of "herb." Botanically speaking, an herb is a non-woody plant. So no discussions about sage, rosemary, thyme, roses, or any other woody plant. To my knowledge there is no other "botanical perspective" of what an herb is. 2. Sorry, Daisy. Just forgot the "cosmetic" herbs. And I too find much value in Hippocrates' philosophy of food as medicine. I practice it often. 3. Overlap....yes. There is overlap between Herbs and other forums. That is the nature of gardening forums. A rose, for example, could be talked about here or a variety of other forums including the rose forums, perennial, cottage gardens, edible, native plants (some), cutting garden and many others. It doesn't mean it is wrong or shouldn't be talked about in any of those. But a person wanting to know more specific details about growing roses or specific rose varieties may wish to visit one of the rose specific forums for the best information. There are experts on those topics there. But general rose discussions or specific discussions about which varieties produce the best hips for tea or even how to harvest those hips would be very well placed here. I have some other general FAQ's in process but I'm looking to get one done before really starting another. One of those is about the difference between the Herbs and Herbalism forums. If it clarifies anything now, I'll share where that one is headed. The difference in the forums is in their focus. We focus on growing herbs of all sorts with some usage information in addition. The Herbalism forum is about medicinal herbs, specifically the usage of them, how to prepare them for use (tinctures, etc.), medical studies about their usage and efficacy, and educational resources to learn more about them and their usage. If cutting to the chase....it's growing versus using plus our area of subject matter is wider. 4. Oak? Herb. Willow? Herb. Trees as well? Sure enough, but that doesn't stop them from being herbs and topics for discussion here. The book Native American Ethnobotany by Moerman lists over 40 distinct oak species that were used by the Native Americans for all manner of uses from food to toys to basketry to medicine and more. Willow also has 40 or so listings with many varied uses. Will most people come here for info on oaks or willows? No. They'll probably head over to the Trees forum - it's a good forum too. But if they are looking for good varieties to grow for a particular herbal use or maybe questions about how to encourage willow to produce more branches for harvesting bark from, we're the forum for that and we should not discourage that discussion. FataMorgana...See Morebreezynosacek
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