Asian persimmons that have stood the test of time in SE
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Persimmon and pawpaw faliure
Comments (52)The pawpaws like the company of other plants and really thrive in the company of other trees. Mine are all partly in the canopy of nearby fruit trees. I have tried to put them in a location which is most like their forest home. I have 9 trees on my smallish lot in Colorado Springs. These have all been doing fine. I did lose a tiny Wabash tree from Forest Keeling that could not take the sun. I have found Forest Keeling plants to be a year younger and smaller than grafted plants from OGW or Edible Landscaping. The tiny plants require 2 full years of protection here, while the larger grafted plants adjust in less than a year. They cost more, but are worth the price. I water them every day or two in their first year and less as they get older. For sun protection I have a broken window screen over them their first year. They like an east or northerly exposure where they get a few hours of direct sun, but not a lot more. They simply cannot handle all day full sun out in an exposed location. They are good near the walls of houses and do not have invasive roots like many trees would. Hardy kiwi are really hard to establish in Colorado. They fry in much sun and are very frost tender in spring. They also have zero drought tolerance. Have finally gotten a female to grow and thrive here having it climb up an asian pear next to an east wall. Have had many fail to live and am hoping the male I have will start to grow. Lost quite a few kiwi before finding what they want- Moist shady locations protected from spring freezes, and summer heat. Hope this helps prevent others from future failure. Kiwi and pawpaw aren't easy in CO but given what they must have, they can grow....See MoreAre Asian pears the king...
Comments (31)I missed this thread and probably could have been some use as I grow Asians in the humid northeast- which is more like your climate than the locations of most of the posters here. To me Korean Giant aka Olympic is best of Asians because it is the biggest and sweetest variety I've grown. University of Kentucky concurs in their research. I've never seen an Asian here bothered by fireblight, maybe because they start growth before warm weather. The consensus in this part of the country is that the Asians are easier to grow than Euros because they are not susceptible to scab or psyla, which can be devastating and more difficult to treat than most problems on any fruit here. I used to really like the taste of my KG's but after I had unlimited access to them I began to lose interest. I now far prefer my different Europeans because they are more interesting to me. This is all so subjective and people who sample my KG's usually just go gahgah Fireblight is something that can be spread from more susceptable trees to less. I have not seen research on this but my observations are conclusive as far as I'm concerned although I've only actually seen examples on 3 sites. On one site the quince there had fireblight for 2 or 3 seasons before it spread to europears. It went from susceptable pears (bosc most affected) the next season to most of the apples with Honeycrisp most affected. The strikes never went deep except in the Bosc and Quince and last year wasn't too bad. I've yet to loose a tree to fireblight after 2 decades of caring for thousands of trees in the northeast. This is probably because I don't manage any full dwarf apple trees which are more susceptable. In your climate you may get Jap type plums without much difficulty, or not. Scott has troubles in Maryland but I get unsprayed fruit often in S. NY and vacinity. Illinois Everbearing is usually touted as the best Mulberry for my climate. I have also tried Oscars, which I didn't care for. Silk Hope couldn't take our winter. Burnt Ridge has some IE available....See More? Hardiest Jujube, Asian Persimmon ???
Comments (27)My Ichi-Ke-Kei Jiro had some freeze damage from this past winter. My lowest temperature was -7 F and it occurred on two consecutive nights. I lost about 12 inches from the top of the leader, but new growth will quickly replace that. (actually the way it was growing I would have liked to have removed that growth anyway as it was leaning the tree towards the nearby sidewalk and kids already were frequently pulling leaves and such from it). My jujube's (two previous to this spring) both seemed to have taken a little damage from the winter as well. One, So, lost about 1/2 of its smaller contorted branching, but otherwise seems fine. The other, Shanxi Li, has developed long vertical splits along the bark below the graft (but none above) due to uneven heating I'm assuming. The damage was not aparent before the spring weather set it, and likely formed after the winter cold had really ended. I'm thinking I will need to paint the park of at least that variety. A new Jujube I planted this spring already has flowers forming (though I do not yet see buds on the other varieties). I also added a jujube and an American Persimmon at my MIL's house (she gave me free reign to garden there to my heart's content as I have pretty much run out of room at my own house). A fig that I was trying a new means of protection upon (my biggest and only outdoor year round variety) suffered an attack of voles which seem to have destroyed or severly weakened most mature growth (which is a shame as I thought I had an easier way of protecting the fig). ~Chills SE Michigan as well...See Morepersimmon early harvesting to prevent squirrel damage
Comments (23)Last year I picked Nakita's Gift and let some ripen and dried some. Most of the fruit that I allowed to ripen turned a black color on one side, the skin gets rough, and the pulp inside next to the black area was not good. The rest of the fruit tasted good. Must be some kind of disease. The dried fruit were excellent, seems like the astringency goes away after only a 3-4 hours of drying, even though they are not completely dried. They ended up tasting like candy, much better than the Saijo that I dried, but to be fair, the entire crop of Saijo did not seem to taste as well as what I remember a Saijo should taste like. that was my first attempt at drying persimmon, and I don't think that I dried them as much as they were supposed to be, about 12 hours, but I kept them in the freezer and they were very good eating through the winter....See Morecousinfloyd
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