Are there really blue tomatoes? And would any of you like to trade tomato seeds bc i'm trying to grow my collection and I'm looking for anything I can get my hands on :) And my list is on my members page or I can email you a list of what I have if you are interested. Thanks! Jon

Thanks for that timeline. Isn't it interesting how a variety can remain true for so long while in its native environs and then within ten years of introduction to the rest of the world, evolve so suddenly into other expressions? ***** Yes, I do think it's interesting and I'm trying to think of other comparable examples, but this is not the time of day that I do my best thinking. LOL I know Keith has said somewhere that that the CP and I think it was CG that Craig sent him have not been stable for him. But other than some wrong CP being sold all three have been genetically stable for me and quite a few other folks. And Craig also sent me CP right after he got the seeds from John Green and I've grown it many times since 1991 or so and it's still fine. However, I'm sure that Craig is more likley to see any changes b'c of the large number of plants that he grows to sell at the Farmer's Market and possibly feedback from those. But the CP to CC change occurred in his own toamto patch. Randomness at work? Why not. And the CC to CG change occurred in Darrell Merrell's patch and until recently Darrell was growing huge numbers of plants for retail sale. Aha, I did think of one other more recent example and that's all the variations of some of Brand Gates varieties. I keep telling him he's growing on top of a nuclear pile, LOL, but seldom have I see so many different varieties arise in such a short time. And since those are recent ones, I don't know how they'll stand up to time as well. All the color change ones I've known and experienced that were probably epidermis mutations have remained stable for me. I think I still have a pink Cuostralee and a pink Great Divide, and both should be red as in the original. But I don't send out seed that's not what the original should be. And flipping thru the Yearbook pages I see other color change ones, such as Amana Orange to I can't remember what. The question that usually comes to mind for me when instability is discussed is whether a variety was never stable in the first place and it's just continueing to segregate or whether a change was due to DNA mutation and that mutation was permanesntly expressed afterwards. Carolyn

dcarch, the Purple Dragons grew really well here and were so sweet I was surprised. Plus, they look really cool, LOL. I also grew some white carrots, and they are good, but not as good as the purple. The white tomatoes are my second favorite, after the pink Mortgage Lifter. The whites, though, are bigger, heavier, meatier, they have few seeds and lots of tomato. Should I save you some seeds? (I haven't figured out how to grow carrots and save seeds yet, or I'd offer you some of those, LOL) Annie

Again Seysson, your opinion ONLY on no so called black Tomatoes, which I refer to as red/blacks if they have a yellow epidermis, such as Carbon or Black Krim and pink blacks if they have a clear epidermis such as Cherokee Purple or Indian Stripe or Black From Tula. to. What is purple? No consensus on that at all, and it's more important these days with many varieties having antho shoulders or spots. The word purple was used up until perhaps the 30's to indicate a PINK tomato, so that unt Ginny's Purple, is pink for instance. Very few varieties dohave a bit of true purple and Orange Smudge and Red fleshed Orange Smudge are examples. You listedabove a Purple Heart and the Only true Purple Heart I know of was via the breeding efforts of someone in Germany whom I know well, who just released a purple, a green and chocolate heart, no, he doesn't sell seeds, and I was sent the seeds and they are being grown out this summer by my seed producers for my next seed offer elsewhere. But you said Purple Heart (DWF) and for those who don't know what that means, it was one bred by members of the Dwarf Project at another site. And here is a link to the one you are growing and if you look at the parentage it might or might not make sense in calling it Purple Heart Carolyn, who knows how much you miss me, oh well, I do stop by, but infrequently, and almost never post now.