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HELP! Homemade fish emulsion gone awry!
Comments (36)This thread is hilarious and informative at the same time! Thank you all for the laughs and the knowledge! My experience with fish emulsion goes like this. I’ve been growing bonsai for many years and have more than I want to talk about. Some are pretty old and my treasures. When we moved from the big city to the country, we of course brought every single plant and bonsai! We had four box trucks jammed full of plants and one for the house stuff. I carefully arranged each bonsai on their little stands so they’d all look just right even if we were the only ones that could see them. I started the repotting process soon thereafter and of course...used fish emulsion to give them all a boost. The next day, I go back to check on my “babies” and stood there in shock! Thinking the worst about some human vandalism or theft, I notice that each plant had been uprooted and holes had been dug in every pot. Little hand like prints and tracks are all over the place, I follow the trail of destruction to a boggy area near a creek. There lie the remains of several larger bonsai, the fish emulsion bottle and even the bucket! A few choice words later and some tears too, I gathered the survivors and repotted them. Most survived with some very interesting new shapes but I certainly learned my lesson. Fish emulsion is great stuff but never use it if you even suspect that you have raccoons....See MoreHuman Urine
Comments (70)I'm amused that anyone could be "grossed out" by someone using urine in their compost or directly applying it to ornamental's. My city's drinking water comes from a river. The water is filtered, chlorinated, and tested for 30-40 common pollutants. There are thousands of chemical compounds in use that are not tested for but commonly discarded into the waste stream plus human and animal urine. Then it is pumped to our houses for our use. We flush (discard) our wastes into the sewer. It gets filtered, chlorinated, and put back into the river for the next lucky recipient. By utilizing our urine we are actually making the downstream water somewhat cleaner plus using our homemade fertilizer where it will do some good. I hope anyone who is paranoid about urine in the garden is lucky enough to be at the headwaters of the aquifer their water is drawn from or have a great well far from any pollution sources. Seven billion people and industries without a conscience on this earth - truly clean water is a crap-shoot....See MoreWhat is a substitute for Seaweed or Kelp Meal?
Comments (20)from what i have read seaweed or kelp meal can not be substituted by anything. the whole purpose is to provide trace nutrients that could be lacking. some of these elements are not even needed by plants such as iodine yet are essential to animal health so it is indirect consumption first getting the nutrients into the plants then eating the plants. arsenic is another essential to animal life yet totally unneccesary to plants as well as we currently know. sea products tend to contain almost every mineral in trace amounts so fish meal or emulsion could possibly contain some or all of the things kelp or seaweed provides. Kelp meal is recomended at 1 cup per 100 square feet annualy in a book gardining for maximum nutrition so it is used in very minute qty. I can't help but wonder why bother with secondary igestion why not just consume minute qty of the meal directly in say stews soups gravies etc. Part of the logic no doubt is that the application to the soil also allows for any trace elements lacking in your local ecosystem and thus not present in localy produced organic debris. Importing components of the compost heap from distant sources may also have some advantagous effects such as using stable cleanings that have sawdust from nonlocal trees and feed comprised of products from several regions. so there is no substitute for seaweed or kelp meal to the best of my knowledge. I have yet to find a reasonable priced source. Anyone living near the coast could simply harvest rinse the salt and add the seaweed or kelp to the compost heap those of us inland must import to obtain it and prices seem to be way to high for what it is. Anyone knowing of low cost commodity co-op type suplies please post them....See MoreNitrogen
Comments (12)"Should I really have husband to start peeing in garden? Trust me I have no problem with that if it's good for garden? " Yes, and well, no. Yes, putting urine in the garden is a very good (not to mention a cheap, eco-friendly, sustainable, etc...) way to get available N to your plants. However, no he should not pee directly into the garden. Well, it's okay if you haven't sown yet and you expect rain before planting. Urine contains N in a form that is 'immediately available' to plants. Some nutrient sources need to be broken down before they are in 'available' forms. Not so for urine. The human body (as well as any animal) breaks the N down. Many people use straw or urine-soaked bedding from barns. These are very good sources of N. But as discussed above, N can be strong. Urine is no exception. If a nutrient needs broken down, then you can add more and let it be slowly released to plants. If it is immediately available, be sure to use it sparingly. In the case of urine, it needs to be diluted. If you haven't sown, and do expect rain, then straight urine is fine. If sowing time is approaching, or you've already planted, then dilute it quite heavily... like 10 - 20 to 1. That urine-soaked bedding is a great addition to a compost pile, or to toss on as a mulch during the winter/off-season. If you use urine-soaked straw/hay/bedding as a mulch during the growing season, use just a little at a time and let the rain dilute and wash the N into the soil....See MoreRelated Professionals
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