Secret Garden Musk climber Reve d' Or *** Either Should do what you want admirably. Grandmother's Hat *** This is more a bush than a climber, tho it can be espaliered on a fence or trellis. But it will be a LOW climber. Barely filling that area. More for your smaller space. OTOH, it will be dependably free of disease, and will bloom almost continuously, if deadheaded. Candidates for my smaller space - a 7' trellis by 8-10' wide area facing east with 3'4 day full sun: Cornelia Blush Noisette *** For us, this was a bush. If you want a real climber, you need Setzer Noisette. OTOH, either of them MUST be deadheaded, or the blooms will turn brown and linger forever. Pinkie? - maybe too big? Climbing Rainbow's End Red Robin *** You mean "Ragged Robin," or 'Gloire des Rosomanes', right? It will definitely do this, and will do you proud. I can't think of a finer SoCal rose. Seriously. I've had a Joseph's Coat climber before but when it got big & thorny the pruning and dead heading was WOW! Candidates for my big space along a 4 ft. high wall by 20 ft. fence (it can have spaced trellises if necessary - faces south, sun pretty much all day): Old Blush *** Cl. Old Blush? LOVELY rose. It will mildew all year here. Ghislaine de Feligonde Jaune Desprez (can fall over?) *** Wants heat to bloom. I finally got one to grow, but -- three blooms a year? Really? 2 Rev d' Or *** Superb choice. 2 Mutabilis? *** VERY BIG SHRUB. Does not climb for us, and I've never seen it used that way. I read differing opinions on mildew concerning MAC (Madame Alfred Carriere), *** MAC will, as Kim notes, mildew at a low level ALL the time. Lamarque is far superior in this climate. FAR superior. And Sombreuil does not ball in my (Camarillo) conditions, or suffer from Botrytis, and I have grown it for almost 24 years. It can occasionally be touched by infinitesimal amounts of mildew, but that's so rare it's not worth talking about. OTOH, it is the prickly rose from Hell, along with being lovely and fragrant, and good in a vase. :-) YMMV. Jeri Coastal Ventura County Southern California

I'm in Oceanside along the coast,and we grow all kinds of lilies,daisy's,petunias,gerbera daisy's,geraniums,yarrow,freesias,glads,daffodils,roses,snaps etc etc.Of course we've amended our soil over the years,and i usually add the bayer rose and flower food when planting.It has a systemic insectide in it.HTH Take a trip to Green thumb nursery in San Marcos,Andersons in leucadia,any of the armstrong nurseries or just what ever you have in your area.They can be a lot of help.I personally like all the others i listed better than Armstrong.JMO HTH Kathi

You could try diascia(looks sort of like trailing snapdragons). I've had good experiences with this one. Probably won't get as big as you want though. I planted "Summer wave- blue: torenia" which has really goregous(IMO) flowers that look like little horns. It says that it is for part shade-shade but I didn't read the tag very well and bought it even though I only have full sun for my pots. As long as it doesn't dry out, it looks great in full sun. On the down side, it really isn't bushy at all. It'll trail down a long ways, but if you want bushiness as well as trailing, don't pick this one. My go-to favorites for trailers are superbells- Calibrachoa. But they look like miniature petunias, so you may not like them. You know how lots of tags say "deadheading not necessary", but if you don't deadhead, they have long stretches where there aren't really any blooms? Not these ones! They seriously bloom non-stop from spring until frost. I don't really recommend Sutera cordata(bacopa). It is pretty well impossible to deadhead because the flowers are so tiny, so it has breaks between blooming(depends on how constantly in-view the planters are I guess). On the plus side, it is really amazingly drought tolerant. Even if it is half dead from not being watered, it'll come back. I know you want blooms, but there are of course tons of foliage plants that are good trailers. I planted purple knight acidenthera (spelling?) last year and LOVED IT. It got really huge. And it is both bushy and trailing. Still gotta go with superbells or millionbells. They are great performers and if you want floriferous, look no further. Red, yellow, or whatever color you want they have.(I sound like a sales person, don't I?)

chimaan - I sent you an email ... let me know if you didn't get it. springpaintings - I think Upland has beautiful plants, although as others have said, they can be pricey. However, everything's in bloom, and they have varieties that you won't see elsewhere. They only sell rooted plants on site (from small ones all the way up to huge trees!) - if you want cuttings, you have to order them online, or you can call in advance and pay over the phone, and then pick up in person the next day. I definitely think it's worth a trip to see so many plumeria in bloom, and to see some of their crazy grafts that have up to 5 different blooms on a single plant (!!), even if you don't buy anything. I don't know if they're still having a sale - you should probably call them. Other people here can probably recommend other nurseries in the LA area to you. I know that C-stars has a nursery in Gardena that's open to the public, although I haven't been there. Some of the other ones are open by appointment only, I think. Unfortunately, I'm not really an expert on all the local nurseries ... yet. (LOL)