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Some thooughts about Soil Block Makers

anney
16 years ago

Does anyone have and use a soil blocker to make your own seedling "containers"? If you're new to them, at the bottom there's a link so you can see what they look like.

From what I understand, you use fine well-moistened growing soil, and the gadget makes compressed stand-alone cubes to plant seeds in. You set the cubes on a block of some sort to plant and grow the seeds. They must always be bottom-watered, or the cube of soil will fall apart, and there must be a space between them to keep the roots separate. A moisture mat under the blocks with a wick into a water reservoir is recommended as the best way to water the seedlings uniformly and not have them sitting soggy if one has a heavy hand with the water.

I often use bottomless newspaper pots for to plant small seeds in, but this technique might be even less labor-intensive. But these gadgets aren't cheap, so I'm wondering if you could make individual blocks yourself by packing cell trays with a very moist and fine growing mixture and then just turning the cell tray upside down on the moisture mat.

Or even more daring, why not grab a small handful of the moist growing mix, squeeze it together tightly, and then gently place it on a moisture mat. Plant your seeds and always bottom water.

When it's time to transplant, all you have to do is lift the cube of soil containing the growing plant and put it into another container, its primary growing home, until you set it out in the garden. Or you could set the plants directly into their permanent growing containers if that's how you plan to grow them.

Has anyone used a soil block maker or experimented with starting seedlings in "open" cubes or compressed piles of growing soil?

Here is a link that might be useful: Johnny's Seeds - Soil Block Maker

Comments (22)

  • oldpea
    16 years ago

    Last year, I started seeds in 1 1/2 deep meat trays with drain holes. After the seeds were up and growing, I took a sharp knife and sliced the soil into squares like brownies. When time to repot or plant out, all I had to do was lift out a square. Always watered from the bottom.
    The potting soil was the cheap kind. Heavy : )

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  • weirdtrev
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    Those soil block makers are obviously a great tool that do exactly what they were designed for, but why pay over $100 for one? Maybe I am missing something crucial about the process but couldn't you just buy or build a brick mold for the bigger ones? Then you could make a 4"x 6" block and just trim off the extra two inches of soil. Or couldn't you just get some scrap wood/metal and build a square of any dimensions you need?

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    1. Cut 2 pieces of wood that are 6" long
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  • anney
    Original Author
    16 years ago

    cambse & weirdtrev

    I wonder if weirdtrev's idea would work with the plastic container you mentioned? Why not cut the bottom out, pack the soil in with the bottom of another same-size container, and then gently lift the container, leaving a compressed round block of soil on the growing mat?

    I guess the question would be whether the plastic sides without a bottom would remain rigid enough to stand some serious soil packing, not continually change shape.

  • anney
    Original Author
    16 years ago

    cambse

    I realize now you probably meant a square plastic container, not a round one.

    But I guess the same questions apply.

  • kkfromnj
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    I've never used them but will give a DIY version a try. I plan on using PVC pipe, comes in all diff sizes.

  • nygardener
    16 years ago

    I have all three sizes. 2" are good for most seeds, 4" for squash and melons. They're all hard to keep evenly moist unless you place them on a capillary mat. But unless you get the timing just right, the roots will grow right through the mat, and tear off when you go to transplant. I think that's why the volunteer squash from my compost heap grew much bigger and faster, even though those from 4" blocks had a big headstart.

    The advantage of the block makers is that they have a built-in plunger to push the block out of the mold, which keeps them in good shape. The best results come from using the plunger to hold the top of the block in place, then pulling back on the sides until the whole block is free of the mold.

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  • cambse
    16 years ago

    Anney,
    I did mean a square container but I like the idea of cutting out the bottom. I can ask my husband to cut a wood piece to fit the container and then it could be pushed down to release the block. With this technique even larger sizes would be possible. The problem will still be finding a container that will remain ridged enough after the bottom has been cut out. The new wooden bottom should help with that.
    Also, I found a link in my bookmarks to a site giving directions on how to make soil blockers. I don't think I would try to make a 2 inch blocker as Ladbrooke makes a very good one and the 2 inch size is not all that expensive, especially considering that I have been using the same one for the last 25 years and it still works as well as it ever has.

    Carole

    Here is a link that might be useful: Making soil blockers

  • anney
    Original Author
    16 years ago

    cambse

    Thanks for the link!

  • anney
    Original Author
    16 years ago

    The guy in this video shows how he uses his soil block maker. Click on Making Soilblocks under the title. He puts all his formed blocks crammed together in a plastic tray and apparently lets the growing roots intermingle, which hardly takes advantage of one of the benefits and that's to have a separate cell for each plant. But I guess he likes it as he does it -- each to his/her own!

    The soil that he's blocking looks drier than I thought it would need to be.

  • oldpea
    16 years ago

    Why not just pack the soil in the large container then cut the squares? What's the advantage of making individual blocks and then cramming them all together?

  • anney
    Original Author
    16 years ago

    oldpea

    Exactly.

    As far as I can see, your method works just as well as what this guy does.

  • cambse
    16 years ago

    Anney,
    The soil does need to be quite moist. I think that if the blocks were not so close in that video that they would crumble. They look to me as though they are supporting each other. When properly made, with moist soil, the blocks are sturdy enough to be picked up and moved onto capillary matting placed in a seeding tray. You really need some room between the blocks so that the plants develop a good blocky root system. That is one of the benefits of using a soil blocker. Nygardener says that s/he has a problem with the roots growing into the capillary matting. I have never had that happen. Perhaps the plants were allowed to get too big before transplant. Possibly some matting may allow that to happen. I get mine from Charley's Greenhouse. They are online.
    The soil that you use is very important. It must be very fine grained, no shredded bark or other large pieces. It is very difficult to make blocks that will hold together with poor soil.
    I like using soil blocks because it eliminates most need to deal with pots. There is no need to buy, store, clean, and sterilize pots unless you need to up pot due to being unable to transplant when the plants are ready to go in the ground. That rarely happens for me since there is a fair amount of time variation between when the plants can go into the ground and when they must go into the ground.
    Other than the cost of the soil blocker, there is very little in costs involved which is another benefit to using this method.

    Carole

  • nygardener
    16 years ago

    Carole, which of Charley's capillary mats do you use? All my blocks had roots growing through the mat, but my mats were from another company. I might also have been using them wrong.

    By the way, a plus of the Johnny's makers (which you can probably duplicate with a homemade one) is that each size block can be formed with an indentation on top the next smaller size. So you can germinate and grow a seed to fill out a 2" block, then move it into a 4-incher.

    I found it easier to control moisture in plastic cells, since if they dry out (as they seem to periodically) you can immerse the whole section in a shallow pan of water. It seemed a little tricky to get the blocks moist but not wet. I mostly watered the capillary mat and kept my fingers crossed. Did anyone find a good way to keep the blocks watered?

    Bill

  • esobofh
    16 years ago

    Here's an interesting link to a soil block maker from 1939 - hexagonal in shape.. very interesting. The instructions here are to use it with compost. I think one could devise this rather simply with pvc and some kind of screw press to really make some good pressure.

    Here is a link that might be useful: hex block maker 1939

  • esobofh
    16 years ago

    I was really thinking this was a great idea... until I saw the video. This looks like alot of extra finicky work for no real gain. Why not just fill up the entire tray with dirt and plant your seeds?? He claims the benefit of the soil blocks is that they roots can spread out and grow together, effectively using the whole tray. Well why not just use the whole tray?

    I just get used plastic inserts for free and fill em up with dirt and call it done.. hasn't costed me a dime and is easy to do on masse.

    I think if there was a real benefit to this you would see commercial greenhouses using it with one huge tray sized blocker with a press that builds one full tray at a time... the guy mentioned having to do 53 more trays with the small press he was using (which is actually the biggest press i've seen sold..) no thanks.. too much fricken work!!

  • cambse
    16 years ago

    Bill,
    I use the regular matting that they sell by the foot. I have never had a problem with roots growing into it. I think the Johnny's soil blockers are the same as the Ladbrooke. Mine also has an indentation for seeds and came with a separate 3/4 inch blocker that I never use. I put my blocks in a solid bottom seed tray and do not put seed blocks in one end of it. That allows me to pour water in that end without disturbing any of the soil blocks. The capillary matting will spread the water to all the blocks.

    Esobeth,
    The video is garbage. The way he does it negates the value of the seed blocker. The idea is to separate the blocks so that they stand by themselves. I use about a 3/4 inch spacing. That spacing air prunes the roots resulting in a dense cluster of roots that allows the plant to be transplanted without transplant shock. There is no point in placing the blocks next to each other allowing the roots to grow together. Roots growing together is precisely what you want to avoid.

  • nygardener
    16 years ago

    Thanks, Carole. How many weeks do you germinate your seeds before transplanting the blocks? What brand soil do you use, or do your mix your own? Johnny's sells a mix that's formulated for soil blockers.

  • cambse
    16 years ago

    Hi Bill,
    I believe that a younger plant is better than an older plant when it comes to transplant size. I think that trying to start plants so that they are really large when set out is counterproductive. I think that over grown transplants are set back by being held in soil blocks or even having been up potted. I try to time my plants so that I start them when the soil temperature will be good at transplant time. I know that a lot of people try to rush the season and start their plants early but I feel that a plant that has had a setback will not grow as fast as one that has not and also won't produce as much. In the long run, I think it's better to use the short end of the transplant scale. When a plant is said to be ready for transplant in 6 to 8 weeks, I plan on using the 6 week time, not the 8 week. If something happens so that I can't get the plants out at 6 weeks, I have a built in time cushion. I don't think a plant stressed from being held in less that optimum conditions, such as is necessary if they are being held too long for transplant, is a good plant. I know that a lot of people think that a bigger transplant will get them results faster but I don't agree.
    I didn't know Johnny's sold a mix formulated for soil blockers. I'll have to look into that. Right now, I use a mix I buy at McConkles. I don't know if McConkles is in your neck of the woods but I really like them. They are a wholesale house for greenhouses and nurseries. I have to buy it by the bale but it lasts a long time.

  • pottingblockguru
    15 years ago

    I will give you all some "MORE THOUGHTS ABOUT SOIL BLOCKERS". First of all, a soil blockers compacts more soil in a cube than just "filling up a tray", actually it will then contain three times the soil in a compressed block than if it were to be loose filled. That is the real benefit. All that compressed soil is room for your roots to grow. Secondly, the video is garbage, but let's get it straight. Space your blocks if you want to air prune and keep them in the block longer. Keep 'em close (factory setting) if they'll be in for a short time and you don't want to water as much. And, cambse, if you can pack your tray with three times as much soil than filling it loose, than WOW! aren't you a genious. But, alas, you are not, as the plastic would break. Third, for those that say soil blockers are too much work would be best to go to Walmart and pickup some more plastic containers to be thrown in the dump in a year or two. Soil Blockers are a process to make your own seed starting pot and soil and seed hole, all in one; OF COURSE IT WILL USE A LITTLE EFFORT! Just wait 'till all your cheap plastic runs out. You'll wish you would've INVESTED in a soil blocker, BECAUSE THEY LAST FOREVER! So, if you're reading this listening to people who complain how expensive they are, do the math, one time investment for a trouble free product, or, year in and year out of the five and dime for a crappy plastic seed starter tray. Fourth, You do not NEED a capillary mat. It may be useful for those who aren't involved with their plants, or for those who have to work all day. Misting is the best, even for those who have a heavy hand on the water wand BECAUSE THEY ARE COMPLETELY SELF DRAINING. Fifth, make your own soil blocker with instructions at my site. Sixth, start your seeds as early as you want in soil blocks and harden them off in a senen day period while your soil warms up. don't listen to those who DON'T use soil blocks for transplanting information BECAUSE PROPERLY HARDENED OFF SOIL BLOCKS ALWAYS GROW FASTER, EARLIER, MORE YIELDS, AND HARDIER THAN OTHERS. And finally, Johhny's does NOT sell a potting soil specifically for soil blockers. It may do alright, but it is sterilized, too bad, as it won't be able to inoculate your garden soil with the good stuff. The only company in the world that sells a potting soil for a blocker is my company "Old Farm Boy", and we'll be in every store in a few years. Ask me, I'll give you a FREE SAMPLE. So, after six years and over one million blocks made, I AM THE POTTING BLOCK GURU, and I am here to serve those who want to learn.

    Here is a link that might be useful: The World's Resource for Soil Block Gardening.

  • wally_1936
    15 years ago

    I still like making my seed starters out of newspaper soaked in water and then wrapper around a container the size I want to plant my seeds. They are planted with the seedlings and cause no transplant shock. Making sure none of the paper is about ground after planting.

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