Dawn redwood at Longwood Gardens PA
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Comments (12)I gave the nursery a ring and they said it would be about a 3' root ball. THE ONE TIME I WENT THIS BIG ON A ROOT BALL .. I BORROWED THE BALL CART FROM THE SELLER.. TO MOVE THAT THING AROUND ... and one other time.. i insisted on delivery to the hole ... drainage is prime with all conifers and trees ... there is no drainage in a heavy clay soil ... one would only plant half the ball in the soil.. and then add a berm of good draining soil ... the tree will eventually work its way into the clay .. all we try to do.. is allow drainage until the tree can take care of biz. ... try calling your county extension office.. or soil conservation office.. and ask .. generally ... if there are any well known soil issues in your county.. in regard to this tree .. USUALLY .. they know off hand.. if you can actually talk to the tree guy ... the few times i did this.. they happened to mention that there were hundreds of the plant all over the county.. that i didnt even know about .... as i said.. i bet its not as rare as you think.. its just another tree ... though a deciduous conifer ... i have no faith in gator bags .... because peeps think they can simply walk away .. and never worry ... if you use one.. go out once a week for the first year.. and insert finger .... then you will be in charge .. not the tree gator marketing man ... i have seen more dead trees with gators around them.. than you would think ... and it isnt the gators fault ... its a tool.. that is easily misused ... i would measure twice.. dig hole ... i dont use this wider is better logic ... i would just go a foot or 18 inches wider.. planting DEPTH is the most important thing ... and once that ball falls in the hole.. i doubt you will be dragging it out to readjust depth ... measure.. and measure.. and measure.. because you have only one shot .... err towards an inch too high .. rather than too low ... for $500.. bucks ... i would have insisted on delivery ... and if they cant do it.. cancel the order .. and order a tree half the size for $100 bucks .... save yourself the back surgery ... and if they cant deliver it this weekend.. then next is fine.. or the one after .. etc .. any time in october should be OK ... predig dig the hole to about 80% .. no reason you should have to be doing that on delivery day ... fill it with water.. and find out how water drains form the hole .... once in the hole.. i would backfill about halfway .. jump in the hole .. tamp it down with my boot ... and fill the entire hole with water .. two or three times.. letting it all drain away.. and hopefully saturating the entire rootball .. then i would refill 75%.. and fill again.. and then to about 95% and fill with water again ... do you see how i am insuring the entire root mass is damp .... then i would shape the moat.. water again.. and then mulch.. and then i would come back in about a month.. in insert my finger ... and then worry all winter long .... lol ... then i would presume spring thaw and rains.. will keep it moist thru june.. but inserting finger once a month ... but i would be on my hands and knees come the heat of july/august.. inserting finger.. and hand troweling little holes.. to find out how the soil is drying at this time of year ... one deep watering around 8/1 ... will probably be the make it/break it time ... the fog is probably gone.. so i am going to go play with my trees.. good luck i dont have time to reread this.. good luck with interpretations.. lol BTW..i said this was my way .. that doesnt mean its the right way.. lol ... ken...See MoreCoast Redwood in Central Florida?
Comments (34)" I wonder how one would do in pure muck soil where taxodium grow, if inland enough where saltwater flooding isn't a problem." Not well! It would last about a week in summer before the root rots would take it out! In the rest of the southeast where they do grow, they definitely only grow on well drained soils. I have had one die from root rot. In spite of being hexaploid, they are not invincible. FWIW, there's a 'trick' about the PNW - coastal CA climate. I saw rhododendrons almost in the bottom of swales at the old Greer Gardens in Eugene, OR.* You would NEVER see them growing somewhere like that in PA, NJ, or MD. But...the time plants like rhodies and redwood are most susceptible to root rot organisms is in the summer. That's when most of those disease organisms grow best...at temps >= 15C. I see redwoods in the native environs growing in soil that appears year round damp, but guess what? It's only going to be inundated with water, during California's wet winters! Likewise with the rhodies that would experience wet (but not underwater, mind you) soil conditions at Greer...only in winter! There's just NO WAY for Eugene to have 3" of hot wet rain in late July, on a single day, as we can have! (or, now that I think about it, at Sonoma Horticultural Nursery, which is called something else these days, the same is true. Although Polo did put some rhodies on the lowest plains of his property in impromptu little raised beds. That might be necessary because he was so mild in winter, root rot organisms could still grow well during the wet season.) Now that a nursery has supposedly grafted Sequoia onto Metasequoia, maybe people in the southeast can plant them in poorly drained soils with abandon. We'll see. * - although, TBH, it wasn't much to see and not even as nice as the peak of NJ Rarefind around the time Hank died in 2009, I'm glad I got to see it in 2011 and meet the famous Mr. Greer. Greer might have had rarer, more tender cultivars in zone 8a, but Rarefind had just more plants, and better displayed, period, in their 6b garden....See MoreCrescent Ridge Dawn Redwoods Preserve?
Comments (32)In very cold climates the hardwoods don't do as well as conifers. In the far north of Canada as you approach the tundra and artic circle, fir and spruce become the dominant species although eventually they reach their limit and appear stunted. Along the south-east coast (South Carolina, Georgia, and into Florida), Pines do better where the soils are very sandy, but hardwoods still eventually crowd them out. I am not familiar with the Pine barons in NJ but assume it's very sandy acidic soils which Pines like. Pines down south tend to be first generation reforestation trees aka pioneer species. Most of the areas you pointed out have been heavily logged several times over the last 200-400 years and the first trees to regenerate naturally (assuming there's a seed source) are pioneer species such as Loblolly pine, or long leaf pine. In the Appalachians its typically a mix of Tulip Poplar, Birch, and White Pine. Those trees eventually are crowded out (except the Tulip Poplar). At one point the American Chestnut was the dominant climax species in the Appalachians along with Oaks, but the Chestnut blight (came from China) wiped out 10's of millions of those trees and they are virtually extinct (although their has been ongoing research for the past 25 years to develop a hybrid resistant to the blight). Hardwoods eventually succeed any pines as the mature forest trees (Oaks, Hickories, Maples, etc.). I studied silviculture. Up north you will often see White pine intermixed with hardwoods but never the dominant species and where they are dominant, it's only temporary. These areas typically have had flash burns in the past. I am curious how Dawn Redwoods will compete with other hardwoods in a natural forest setting. Do they start seeding out or do they behave like ornamentals and simply live through their life cycle without producing offspring and eventually die out....See MoreNumber 4 thread of Most successful try @ LIve oak in Pa
Comments (316)Your welcome Kyle. After digging them up, they were kinda bareroot on the roots ends. Especially the Fusi, so small just one leader. Kyle, you likely know, but, I am being sure to remind you to put the potted up trees in an unheated garage or other sheltered place this winter....See Morebengz6westmd
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