Does anyone grow Rose a Parfum de L'Hay
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Comments (5)I wondered if you were going to say tea roses because they don't generally like the same conditions as rugosas. Rugosas like a lean, sandy soil best, and are very drought tolerant. Not allowing them a dry period when they can rest may not produce the best results. Fertilizing too much or too often can easily be more than they like. Especially if fertilizing and watering for a class, such as teas, which like much more of both, are used as the guide. So the rugosa may not actually die from this kind of treatment, but it may not be at its best. Tea roses like much more food and water year round than rugosas, and their growth and bloom times aren't the same. Tea roses like being in moist conditions (whether with lots of soil water and/or high humidity in the air) year round, and richer soil, whereas rugosas are adapted to drought. Making one class happy can make the other less so. Some rugosas that are crossed with other classes may be able to take conditions those classes like better. I've been learning a lot more about plants that are adapted to drought and that actually go dormant during the heat of the summer by taking classes and going to lectures at my local botanic garden which specializes in California native plants. Our area has a mediterranean climate and many plants, including some roses, really like the natural seasons here (coolness and wetness (whether from rain or hose) in the winter and hot, dry summers). An extreme example of this is the very ancient rose, R. minutifolia which can be killed by too much watering (it looks very dry and crispy in the summer then flowers and greens up rapidly once the rains arrive). One thing I've been told repeatedly is that many California natives do not like to have warm, moist roots. That means very little, if any, summer water, and if some infrequent watering in summer is done it should be done late in the evening or very early in the morning when the soil is cooler. Moist, warm roots promote the growth of soil pathogens to which drought tolerant California natives are prone. One of the teachers stressed selecting plants with the same water needs near each other and to avoid placing plants with greatly different water requirements adjacent. Rugosas aren't native to California but I've found they like the same conditions as my drought tolerant CA natives including species roses, salvias, ceanothus, and grasses. The rugosas I grow are among the best performing roses I have, yet thrive on very little water and occasionally a light feeding of fish emulsion (Wild Edric gets zero fertilizer). Tea roses on the other hand, die here under these conditions. They may like heat, but they like a large amount of water--to much for my California native plants--year round. For someone who has a more traditional rose garden, and who frequently irrigates, feeds, and mulches, they will probably thrive. But in a very low water garden like mine, no. So for your Roseraie de l'Hay, you might want to move it to a part of your garden where its neighbors like less water and food. Melissa...See MoreRoseriae de l'Hays....my visit
Comments (25)That particular Rosa longicuspis doesn't look much like the real longicuspis (which has glossy foliage, for starters). It looks like R. brunonii to me. Thanks for the explanation of the boxwood, Melissa! It was the bright shade of green I saw that was throwing me; I'm used to the spring green new growth of microphyllus. While they do grow Asian boxwoods in the north here, the best boxwoods by a long shot are the hybrids between microphyllus and sempervirens such as 'Green Mountain' and 'Green Velvet'. They look nearly identical to sempervirens and are not only very hardy, they probably rank as the very hardiest broadleaf evergreens in Minnesota gardens. I only hope they never see blight, because Ilex crenata doesn't fare too well up there by comparison!...See MoreInfo on Roseraie de l'Hay
Comments (1)Amy, I planted a hedge of Roserie de l'Hay where it got mostly afternoon sun. The foliage was perfectly clean and the plants were nice and full all the way to the ground. Not far away, I planted another short hedge of Sarah Van Fleet--pretty blooms but she definitely got leggy. Hansa is gawky, not shrubby. Despite no morning sun, Roserie de l'Hay was my first rose to bloom (out of 200 varieties), closely followed by the wonderful Golden Wings and r.dupontii. AND wonderfully fragrance with that distinctive clove/spice smell. 2 other wonderful rugosas: low-growing Fru Dagmar Hastrup (or Hartopp) and the very compact white single 'Wild Spice'....See MoreIs this really Rosarie de l'hay?
Comments (12)Roseraie de L'Hay has very prominent rugose foliage. Its canes are extremely thorny. I grew it for many years at the back of a large bed dedicated primarily to hybrid rugosas. It was one of my three favorite hybrid rugosas. Basal canes that grew seven+ feet in length were common, allowing me to train it onto a fence and grow it as a small climber. The flowers were just about the largest, best formed, and most abundant of all the HRs in the bed, and I trialed twenty or so varieties of HRs. BTW: The growth habit of Roseraie de L'Hay is somewhat upright with a little arching. The canes are very stiff and do not easily conform to training as a climber, the way I grew it, so it needed a bit of man handling to tie it to the fence. The rose in your photo appears to have a lax growth habit not characteristic of Roseraie de L'Hay....See More- 16 years ago
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