dadoes, you do have to pay attention to current times and catch up or you will miss the rally! If you are still following Sleepy Joe mentality in the market...you are behind! That is on you. The current environment is AI, energy dominance, and reshoring. Those who pay attention are doing great with the market near record highs. Clinging onto old thinking is why some portfolios are lagging.

I’m just reading today that the USA government has refunded $81 billion for illegal tariffs. How does that work? I’m not an economy expert.

Can someone explain how this will work. Will there be winners and losers in all of this?

OJ, you're making assumptions that aren't correct.

Fine, dadoes...keep doing what you are doing then. I don't care.

I have two professional fiduciary financial advisers. The earn their salary based on the performance of my investments. My portfolio also did better under the previous administration than it has under this one.

OJ, don't presume you know more than professional money managers. They aren't clinging to old times.

And Sleepy Joe? Good grief 🤦‍♀️ Who repeatedly falls asleep - on camera? He slept through his own fireworks and at the Knicks game, at the G7, etc, etc. He leans over and snoozes in the Oval Office during televised meetings.

Roxsolid, you can bet that money will not be coming back to consumers. I guess if it keeps some small businesses afloat, I am for that. Even if those companies lower their prices, it would still mean you have to buy something to get the lower price. I am just about out of buying power for anything at this point.

I, personally have whiplash from this administration. They change their minds about EVERYTHING every day. How does one plan for that?

Those businesses that are "reshoring" as OJ calls it, if it's manufacturing and companies must rebuild entirely, that will take years before we see any of that product and you can bet it will not be cheaper than what has come here in the past. It was the big boys who saw that they could get things made much cheaper overseas so they jumped on it. We (the little people) will not benefit from what is going on today.

Thanks murraysmom!

That was my thought. It would be a logistical nightmare to reimburse consumers. I guess they can be considered the losers by my way of thinking. 🤷‍♀️

I’m no economist, but I’m pretty sure that historically raw data shows that the overall economy has tended to be better under D’s. There are legitimate arguments about correlarion vs causation, saying the president doesn’t control the global variables.

Which do you want to argue? You can’t have your cake and eat it too. The unemployment rate hasn’t decreased under T. All we heard about was gas prices under B, now they’re up 25% since T took office. Are you crying about that now? Objectively you should be because we’re now 20 weeks into a 4 or 5 week war.

If we look at two indexes, the Dow and the S&P500 and average the simple full term gains under each party beginning with Reagan, we gain 51.3% and 53.7% respectively under R’s, and 64.5% and 69.3% under D’s.

BUT WAIT, I was being generous by omitting the GWB years there. Add them back and R’s fall to 28.9% snd 28.8%.

It’s not hard to pick a stock or sector that’s doing great, and pretend everything is honky dory. The Dow went up 39% under B and the S&P 57%. If you didn’t make money then it was your portfolio that was sleeping, not Joe.

TDS excuses again? Mr T himself defined TDS perfectly back when he said that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose any supporters. That's TDS to a T

OJ...You must be kidding. Sleepy Joe? When Dementia Don naps live on TV from the Oval Office, sleeps at Knicks games, fireworks, and makes an utter fool of himself at the G7 conference. Our financial advisor would think your post makes no sense.

" how unfortunate you aren't open-minded to learn how real life VERY SUCCESSFUL businessmen perform! "

Having spent my career as an advisor to large, multinational businesses, I'll tell you gently that you guess is incorrect. But I suspect that comment does apply to you. The ethics and standards of my profession and my firm prohibited dealing with any business or any individuals whose standards in these areas and in compliance with all applicable laws fell short of the ones we were required to hold ourselves to. Whenever signs of crossing a line appeared, we would resign and walk away from the business. Perhaps that's the difference between my experiences and what underlies your sources?

My brief description about the effects of tariffs is factual. It's something that has been been demonstrated again and again, ad nauseum.

A saying that has gotten popular in the last decade - you can have your own opinions, you can't have your own facts.

Anyone here recall "Black Monday" (1987), the "Tech Bubble" (2000-2002) or the "Mortgage Meltdown" of 2008? Those were sobering events. And there are others.

food, I’m no economist either, but let’s not cherry-pick and be misleading. Yes, stock returns have often been stronger under Democrats historically BUT a lot of that is timing and luck (they often inherit recoveries). Presidents don’t control everything-but they can make it better. Under Sleepy we had 9%+ inflation, real wages dropping for many Americans, and record-high gas prices. Under T right now, unemployment is still low (around 4.2%), the stock market has hit new highs, and we’re trying to fix the mess left behind. Gas prices going up lately sucks-partly because of the Iran situation. But pretending everything was great under Sleepy while ignoring the inflation pain most families felt is just selective memory. The economy is complex. T's focus is on energy production, bringing jobs back, and cutting regulations. It's still early, but we’ll see the full results over time. And another thing...raw historical averages don’t tell the whole story when inflation eats your gains.

Sleepy and the Auto-pen anyone? Leadership shouldn't be handles by a machine. Sleepy was too busy sleeping on the beach and in the WH, falling everywhere, or seeing dead people. He slept right through the our open borders! Horrific times.

Elmer, "A saying that has gotten popular in the last decade - you can have your own opinions, you can't have your own facts." Yep! We've been saying this about the Left for quite some time! Unfortunately the Left owned practically all the media-at least that has been changing recently-but not fast enough. If the left doesn't KILL us all on the right first!

Wow. It really is a cult.

Jrb451, Black Monday came up at the dinner table yesterday evening. We were discussing an AI bubble with my DS, whose job partly involves proprietary coding (so, his work is protected from AI at the moment). I had forgotten about Black Monday--I wasn't in the stock market at the time it happened. But it was the reason my older brother has avoided it, and has all his investments in land.

OJ - I’m driving and not going to respond to all of that. Yoi are beong awful selective, too. Blaming B for the pandemic-related inflation is about as honest as thlose who blame T for the pandemic itself. Re the stock market highs we’re enjoying, do you know the last president who can’t claim an all-time high during his tenure? I had to look it up: Herbert Hoover!

Herbert Hoover, one of the worst and most inept presidents ever. It's perhaps a race to the bottom in the rankings between him and the current holder but I think the current one will ultimately prevail by a wide margin.

I've always found it humorous that the prominent think tank at Stanford is called the Hoover Institute. I looked it up, it apparently started long ago with a gift from him. That gift is perhaps the most important thing he did in his lifetime and it may keep him from the ignomy of being at the bottom of the worst-ever list.

lily, I’m not sure if allies hate you, but you are entertaining. 🤠 I’ve just been reading about your new gold coins for your 250th.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/us-mint-produces-a-us1-coin-bearing-trumps-face-to-help-celebrate-americas-250th-birthday/

eta Our one dollar coins .71 USD are called loonies ’cuz we have a loon on them.

I love puns!

It could be a felonie, maybe. LOL

^^^Perfect name!!!!

rox, don't believe everything she wrote. One quick example, the "pool" guy's felony charges were NOT dismissed. They listen to left-wing media so much who lies to them all the time and are brainwashed.

Ollie, I listen to a wide variety of media. The reflecting pool fiasco seems like a minor issue when you look at the big picture of all the other things going on. Whether the pool guy‘s charges have been dropped or not, doesn’t really matter.

But come on, driving across the bottom of a newly lined pool could not have been good for it. Irresponsible and stupid. Extremely poor judgement. I’d be investigating that, as well.

eta

A motorcade on the pool. Is that fake news?

From where do you get your news, Ollie?

DJT “has repeatedly said vandals are to blame for the damage that appeared just two weeks after the $14 million renovation was completed in early June. “The slashes were 300 yards long, and the floor of the pool was cut and then pulled upward, with great force, by these thugs,” he wrote in a post on his Truth Social platform on Monday. On Tuesday, photos emerged on social media that showed the pool had been drained in preparation for repairs.

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“By comparing the seven locations with satellite imagery, photos and videos taken during the renovation process, the analysis found that all of the failures occurred at the seams — lines between two areas that were painted at different times.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2026/07/16/reflecting-pool-peeling-likely-caused-by-application-flaws-experts-say/

I also cannot find any media outlets claiming the pool guy’s felony charges have been dismissed. In fact, they’re reporting on his trial. Lily’s statements appear to be speculation that they will be dismissed, not that they have.

Reading comprehension is important.

300 yards is 900 feet. AI says the reflecting pool is 2,028 to 2,030 feet long, 167 feet wide. A 900-foot "slash" is 44% of the total length. It's difficult to believe that "vandals" could do that, manually/by-hand, whether one "slash" or several, and not be caught in the act considering how much time and effort would be involved. IMO.

Mr shameless T will always blame someone else for his failures, this pool fiasco being just 1. The dude(s) who got arrested are just scapegoats.

Just like Comey for the 86/47 seashells nonsense, amazon still has 86/46 Tee-shirts for sale, so why isn't Bezos being indited for profiting by threatening 46's life??

This discussion has gone epically OT for Computer Help.

It has, but I was just responding to lies from OJ. They need to be refuted.

Best action they’ve seen all year. This is only their third thread in 2026?!

Sometimes these threads take on a mind of their own, like the apple tree one.

Didjall get the WaPo's report on the Pool? The "slashes" are said to be separations at "seams" where the gookus was laid down wrongly in sections and peeled itself apart.

Socialists must have been hired to do the work.

Yikes! The contractor has some ’splainin’ to do!

Olliejane, please let me know what news media brainwashed me tonight?

^^^ T's pathetic drivel last night tried to BW, huge fail.

OK, down with T. We don't need him removing a nuclear threat holding the world hostage, I mean who needs Israel anyway. We can have the double digit inflation rates the last guy gave us every year when many things doubled in price, and just pretend to be happy because our guy has a D behind his name.

Free food, free housing, free bus rides, free babysitters, free toilet paper, free everything, just like living in a prison. Is this what you people want? To share your house with 100's of million people who crossed an open boarder because a new D law requires you to share what you have? Yeah you people have all the answers to back up your lies.

I can't wait for the next civil war.

As the cliché goes, tax cuts and bailouts and welfare for big business is capitalism, for individuals it’s socialism, eh Kev?

Look, we don’t all have to agree on all policy. I’m certainly not representative of the progressives you describe there. I like my money and my standard of living, I’d be ok giving back more for the greater good but overall I’d like to keep my wealth.

But what’s bewildering to me is how things have gotten so polarized that you refuse to see corruption and self-serving having become so rampant and overlooked that they don’t even try to hide it anymore.

As another cliché goes, either you’re a billionaire or a ”maroon” if you support this. Check your portfolio to see which you are.

I won't respond to Kevin's insane political drivel, but maybe he'd like to repost how he loves killing cats, don't ask where his wife's cat is, and to me on my pic of my cat that it's the ugliest cat ever. Hmmm, why did he delete that?

Maybe the local bar was having a buy one get one free night? Really, who thinks like that. It is ludicrous.

Back to the OP - Hubby has 2 iPads and has become very frustrated with them. Today he said they just got a new Samsung tablet at work and he likes it a lot better, so he's thinking of replacing his iPads with one.

“ I guess the felony charge against the 68-year-old Olympian athlete who touched a piece of peeling paint will be dismissed.”

lily,you called it.

I see that the pool vandalism charges were dropped.

I'm so happy to see that today. What a frivolous charge to make.

What happened to the video evidence and eyewitnesses-lol. I hope the man sues for character defamation.

All that bluster from fake TV judge, Jeanine Pirro. How many people has she threatened with "prosecuting to the fullest extent of the law?" And how many have been successfully prosecuted?

The thing is, any reasonable person knew that the claims and charges were bogus right from the start. To me what’s worse than the man who makes up his own reality, is those around him that try to back reality into his narrative. And that they don’t seem to have any qualms about impacting lives in the process. I do hope this results in a lawsuit.

I'd be suing for billions and billions as the felon routinely does in all his frivolous lawsuits.

Not only was it dropped, they admitted the damage was due to hasty, botched work on the part of the company.

Funny how these things seem to wind up that way over and over again, isn't it?