Do you grow Marie Pavie or Marie Daly?

Moses

Here’s a closeup of Rockwall. It has some fragrance. What kind of fragrance? Some fragrance. Sort of meh.
AMR, otoh, sometimes has a delightful berryish scent— but not now.
AMR is often more purple than shown here. This is a large bloom for her.
I love the many-branched candelabras of buds! It’s like watching fruit growing in a tree.

These pictures give you a better idea of the candelabra effect.

How about White Pet. It has the scent of sweet coffee mixed with anise to my nose. I know, "his nose, maybe a little too long of a time since getting checked and an overhauling." The mantra of the aged...'Nothing smells or tastes the same, not like it used to when I was younger, and times were better.' 🙄

Moses.

I have another polyantha in a barrel—Denise Cassegrain, a white charmer—on another wall. This is Denise in 2024.

Ingrid said elsewhere that polyanthas should be more popular,and I agree. You get a lot of rose bang for your buck with these little guys.

Moses, I have no room right now, but Marie Pavie is in the waiting list.

Good, she can get big, but can be restrained through heavy spring pruning.... never thought I would say that about any rose, but she is so vigorous and forgiving, at the head of the list of all roses for this trait, and can flourish when kept smaller by heavy pruning, not get cranky and pout, and fight at being kept container balanced.

Her fragrance is mezmerizing.

Just make sure you get the real Marie Pavie. There are well known nurseries selling fake Marie Pavies. By fake, it means that they are selling scantily petaled, semi-double bloomed, I don't know what roses, as Marie Pavie. Marie Pavie has very heavy petaled double blooms. Look at the photos provided at HMFR, by Rose Nursery Belle Epoque, in the Netherlands. Then look at the blooms of many other posters...big difference in petal count. Hunt out the Belle Epoque Version. You will be glad you did. More petals also means longer bloom lifelife, too. had both versions and there's no comparison. Unfortunately, the full petaled version of MP came from old Pickering Nursery, Canada, outside Toronto, who has been closed for some time now.

Just make sure you get the real Marie Pavie. There are well known nurseries selling fake Marie Pavies. By fake, it means that they are selling scantily petaled, semi-double bloomed, I don't know what roses, as Marie Pavie. Marie Pavie has very heavy petaled double blooms. Look at the photos provided at HMFR, by Rose Nursery Belle Epoque, in the Netherlands. Then look at the blooms of many other posters...big difference in petal count. Hunt out the Belle Epoque Version. You will be glad you did. More petals also means longer bloom life. had both versions and there's no comparison. Unfortunately, the full petaled version of MP came from old Pickering Nursery, Canada, outside Toronto, who has been closed for some time now.

Just make sure you get the real Marie Pavie. There are well known nurseries selling fake Marie Pavies. By fake, it means that they are selling scantily petaled, semi-double bloomed, I don't know what roses, as Marie Pavie. Marie Pavie has very heavy petaled double blooms. Look at the photos provided at HMFR, by Rose Nursery Belle Epoque, in the Netherlands. Then look at the blooms of many other posters...big difference in petal count. Hunt out the Belle Epoque version. You will be glad you did. More petals also means longer bloom life, too. I had both versions and there's no comparison. Unfortunately, the full petaled version of MP came from old Pickering Nursery, Canada, outside Toronto, who has been closed for some time now.

Enjoy your polyanthas, the best OGRs, IMHO.

Moses.

Ingrid, how did you get your Limonium to bloom like that?!

I have two Marie Paviés in matching pots either side of my front door and absolutely love them! Moses is right, they are very forgiving of pruning and I keep mine pretty small. I love the beautiful healthy foliage and the wafting, sweet, musky fragrance greets me in the morning:

I used to have Excellenz von Schubert. That did not take well to confinement and pruning. Nor was it as as heat tolerant as MP. The little, fragrant blooms were exquisite and I regret not being able to find a suitable spot. Best to leave those long arching canes to do their own thing, I suspect..

Oh I remembered another! Delbard classes Avalanche Abricot as a polyantha, although I am pretty sure when I bought it a few years ago they said it was a ground cover rose, maybe it’s both. It does have a spreading, arching habit but in a contained way. I think it’s only available on mainland Europe, so far:

I really like my polyanthas. They are among my most resistant to Japanese Beetles.

My oldest is The Fairy. Probably about 30 yrs old. It came with the house.

I added Dick Koster in 2018.

Then Smoothie, just last year in 2024. It is just a baby band so am looking forward to seeing how it does this year.

Nollie, your Avalanche Abricot is gorgeous. You might consider putting your photos on HMF as their AA pictures aren't nearly as pretty as yours.

Trish, regarding my Limonium I think it's a matter of right plant for the right place as I did nothing other than water it. They're all gone too except for one plant hanging precariously onto the hillside that the ground squirrels might have thought to be in too dangerous a place to bother with. Limonium prefers moist seaside climates but in my case after the rainy season we used to have months of moist foggy weather known locally as "June gloom).

If you want a hot color that does great in a pot, Orange Morsdag is a great polyantha.

Nollie, your Avalanche Abricot is stunning. The way it spills over that tall pot is dreamy. I love it.

Moses, thanks for suggesting Little White Pet. Ingrid, your Aunt Margy’s may have inspired me to get it in the first place, 2017-2019 or so.

Nollie, I adore Excellenz von Schubert, but I killed a band of it .. overwatered. If it can’t take heat,it’ll never thrive here.

Ingrid, I loved your Aunt Margy's Rose. I have one here that is smaller and not yet reached the glorious heights yours did.

Sylvia, EvS seriously sulked for 2 years after I pruned it and moved it to a shadier spot. The few blooms it grudgingly produced were a quarter size and mostly white. It might’ve done OK for you in morning sun and left unpruned.

Ingrid, perhaps you will finally guilt me into joining HMF, I have been meaning to do so for years but somehow never got around to it! Windowsill, thats two pots, with an upturned one used as a base, but Avalanche Abricot does benefit from the extra height.

I’m not totally convinced about it’s polyantha designation, the foliage is of the super healthy, shiny floribunda/modern shrub type and the blooms are on average 2 1/2” across and can be very full, sometimes with a button eye. Whatever, I think it’s the best rose Delbard had produced in a long time, shame it’s not more widely available. A few more photos to show the colour range:

What a gorgeous rose your Avalanche Abricot is, Nollie! I second what windowsill says about it looking dreamy
in that tall pot.

Moses, can you tell me if the Marie Pavie sold by Rogue Valley Roses is the Belle Epoque version? I have wanted this rose for a while but can tell that the one sold by Heirloom and Antique Rose Emporium is not the version I want. The pictures on RVR’s website are not close enough to tell.

I went hunting for some photos of Orange Morsdag. I've taken it to 4 rose shows and has won Best Polyantha Spray all 4 times. These 2 photos are when I actually took pictures at that show.

This is the bush photo. Taken in the middle of the day with the sun shining dead on top of it. The 2 photo's above show the true color of the blooms. The blooms stay fresh a good 10 days on the bush, and it repeats quickly.

Moses, I wonder if the double Marie Pavie you speak of may not be a mislabeled Katharina Zeimet, which is a cross between Etoile du Mai and Marie Pavie. For myself I prefer the semidouble blooms of Marie Pavie, which have a more delicate, ethereal look than a fully double small bloom. It's all in the eye of the beholder, but then isn't everything?

Just today I ordered two polyanthas, Marie Pavie and Sweet Pea. My original Marie Pavie is long gone and I felt such a longing to have her again.