Bathsheba or Crown Princess Margareta?
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Comments (22)Sorry for not responding. I happened to revisit this thread and saw your question. I've done this with lots of Austins and OGR roses. I plant the rooted cuttings about a foot to a foot and a half away from the mother. As they grow up the whole thing forms what looks like one really big bush. Odd numbers of plants seem to look better so either 3 or 5 together. David Austin actually recommends doing this on his website to achieve a more filled out cottage style effect. Although that look isn't really achieved until all of the plants have about 3 years or more to grow to a more mature size. Actually you can see the mother plant of the CPM growing behind the one blooming in the photo. Now, a year later since I'm responding so late, all three plants are about the same size. About 5.5 to 6 feet tall. The three together are about an area that is 5.5 to 6 feet wide. Right next to this CPM is a red moss, a Salet, and Issac Pereire that I've done the same thing with. In the winter you can easily distinguish the separate bushes, but during the growing season, when everything is growing full blast, it really looks like one big and very full bush. They really don't have any problems growing closely together. In the spring I might prune out a dead cane or two, or ones that might be crossing badly, but I tend to prune as little as I have to anyway....See More'Bathsheba'... the new 'Devoniensis'...
Comments (37)Thank you Dave, thats the kind of info I was looking for. I have 2 CPMs they are big climbers. The first year I had them, they were very pale washed out buff orange. A year later they became light orange sherbert colored but not usually ever a deep orange. They dont normally ever get pinkish tones so the Bathsheba, will hopefully be different enough. My CPMs arent great bloomers either but very healthy. I hope Bathsheba is a better repeater with blooms....See MoreHow would 2 Crown Princess Margareta's do climbing on a NJ arbor?
Comments (26)Your Desdemona was mislabelled?! What is she then?! Now I feel great I didn't go get your Margareta yesterday, even though it was very tempting :-) I don't think I saw Golden Celebration at Dearborn. They have the poet's wife, Graham Thomas, and a couple of TGs in the yellow hue. Baker nursery was closed for good (bad). In my failing attempt to find Jude the Obscure several weeks ago, I drove to the address listed for Corner Copia Farm Market , but ended up in a field. I then called and was told they weren't there for four years! I went to Williams Nursery in Westfield last Thursday, and found they only had three or four pots left. They also raised their price to $49. I was so disappointed that I didn't pay attention to the names. You may call them and ask. They do pick up their phone and check stock for you based on color. Good luck! PS. I am new to gardening too. but I think you should be able to plant one rose for now. I planted TG on one side of my trellis, with Eden on another. Now I wish I had put a clematis on the other side or even morning glory, as Clematis will grow faster so I don't have to wait several years for my trellis to be filled....See MoreViability of Crown Princess Margareta in a pot?
Comments (23)Shay: David Austin catalog 2019 offered some own-roots, but I look through David Austin Catalog 2020 .. own-roots are no longer offered through them. From your pic., it's a grafted-rose. If your rose is bought from David Austin, then it's grafted-on-Dr.Huey, and this aggressive root-stock will take over if the bud-union (where the green branches come out) IS NOT BURIED at least 4 inch. below ground. When Dr.Huey takes over, you'll get Dr.Huey blooms (dark-red single-petals) rather than CPM's blooms (yellow/orange). If your roses are bought from Palatine or Hortico, then it's grafted on multiflora, another aggressive root-stock that takes over but produces tiny single-petal white flowers. Dr.Huey's typical trait is tons of blooms in 1st years, but very stingy in 3rd year and latter. My CPM is own-root so the 1st year is whitish-thin-cluster root and was very stingy the 1st year (only 1 bloom & other folks had the same complaint), but as it matures it blooms tons. If you scroll up to the top, the 2nd pic. of my CPM was taken this July 2020. I'm concerned since your bud-union is higher than the soil-level, it should be buried at least 4 inch. below ground to ensure that the root-stock won't take over when the upper branches die through the winter. I had seen roots of my 130 varieties as own-root, plus I root roses from cuttings and own-roots never look chunky & fat & woody like that. I have a few roses grafted-on-Dr.Huey and multiflora, and the grafted-on-Dr.Huey has a longer & fatter stick than multiflora. See pic. below, the bud-union should be buried 4" below soil in cold-zone so the root-stock won't take over when the upper canes die through winter. My experience with Dr.Huey-rootstock in a pot: it doesn't handle acidic rain well when that accumulates in the pot, and will break out in black spots in heavy rain....See MoreRelated Professionals
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last monthI’m in SF, I have four Bathshebas, three in the ground, and one in a pot. She is one of my favorites. I also have one CPM planted in the ground, all are own root. I agree, Bathsheba has a very mild fragrance- myrrh with a touch of honey, but she blooms significantly more than CPM. CPM hardly blooms for me. Two of my Bathshebas are being trained over a bench. Neither CPM or Bathsheba is very tall for me, I suspect Bathsheba would grow taller if it got more sun. Both are on a south facing wall getting full sun until early afternoon. My other two Bathshebas are on a west facing fence and are easily over 6’. I don’t spray, and both have good disease resistance for me, very light BS.
I also have a Teasing Georgia between Bathsheba and CPM, she’s the tallest of the three with good bloom repeat, but she’s my least favorite of the three. She doesn’t have as good of disease resistance, more BS and rust.
last monthlast modified: last monthLady Brug, Sorry, I just noticed your post. I answered on the brugmansia forum :) I dont keep very many brugmansias anymore and have moved towards more non toxic plants and edible plants. I used to grow hundreds and even dabbled in hybridizing a little but I have too many farm animals and I no longer spray chemicals due to our animals, tree frogs, & wells etc. Brugmasia get sooo many pests here so keeping too many of them is too time consuming. I posted some places I know, that sell them on the brug forum.
Nick, your Bathshebas are beyond gorgeous!
My Bathshebas and Spirit of Freedoms almost always all bloom together at the same time. Flush after flush. Its weird how in-sync they are. So I think they would be good to plant together on an arch or wall if one likes that color combination lol.
My TG is very healthy in my black spot, no spray, rose hell lol. It is one of my best Austins. It isnt as fancy as some but its a workhorse here. I like big vigorous roses. The goats, chickens & random escapee piggies cant kill them.
TG in a more mellow yellow mood
last monthlast modified: last monthLovely to hear about Bethsheba! Last summer was my first Bethsheba! She’s a prolific bloomer and love her yellow-peachy colors! Good disease resistance, too! She’s easy to grow & in my climate easily could be 6-7ft, but I like to prune her down ro 4-5ft. She always has blooms!
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Well I selected the Bathsheba! I have crossed fingers and am hoping this new baby makes it. Here is where I planted the rose and what I’m hoping to encourage it to do. I have yet to set up the climbing wire, but that is next on my to-do!
21 days agoBathsheba is an outstanding rose for me here in Portland, Oregon. It blooms constantly and always has a lovely myrrh fragrance. Flexible canes makes it easy to train. Few thorns as well. I've had zero issues with it in three years. I don't have CPM, but it seems most people say it blooms infrequently--especially compared to Bathsheba.
Bathsheba
I also have Tangerine Skies that somebody mentioned, and I love it, but it's completely different. Mine has zero fragrance, but it does have gorgeous blooms that glow in a tangerine color. As far as it being a climber? Well, most of the canes seem to grow tall but straight and fairly rigid. I've only had it two years, but it isn't super flexible. If you're growing it up a fence it would be great. No disease issues at all.
Tangerine Skies in its first year
Hope that helps!Robert
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