Good points, Lars.

Velshi, on MSNBC is an experienced pilot, so he’s giving a lot of good insight into this.

Yikes, seems like too many lately!

Lars, I agree it’s a good point. So many people undo those seatbelts as soon as the wheels hit the ground.

Other than having to get up to use the washroom, I keep my seatbelt buckled up the entire flight. Turbulence can happen!

Ya I've never found wearing my seat belt to be a burden. One news person offered the baby who was injured may well have been on mom's lap. Seemed like a huge assumption but still a good reminder.

I hope the baby will be okay. Toronto has a world class children’s hospital.

I am either getting old, have not had enough sleep or or or. Hearing about injured youngsters just doesn’t bead off me like it used to.

I can hear ringing in my ears what I think must be the FAA prescribed announcement:

"Please remain seated with your seat belts fastened until we come to a complete stop at the gate. " I think that's said when the landing procedure is complete and the plane is at taxi speed. This accident may have happened before that point. Hopefully injuries will prove to be minor

In looking for info about the incident, I came upon these words on the Newsweek site - a result of a quickly prepared report, or was it from overreliance on sub-standard writers and spellcheck:

" He said that flipping can be caused by weather conditions, approach speeds, thruster viability and breaking anomalies, among other factors "

It occurred to me that since the plane landed in a foreign country, sometimes safety announcements are first made using the language of the country where the plane landed. In which case, it would have been slightly different from what I typed just above. And might have been more like this instead:

"Please remain seated, eh, with your seat belts on, eh?.............

And in other news, I see 400 FAA employees were just terminated.

Really makes you wonder...🤔

Did it flip while taxiing, or crash land and then flip? It doesn't matter, but I'm curious. It's good that everyone got out and is getting the care they need.

I see different reports giving different answers to the number of critical injuries, some say none, some say two or three. I'm glad no one died.

It was very windy. Apparently as it landed, it was wavering and landed on one landing gear, it collapsed, broke the wing, enabling the wind to grab under the other wing and flip it. That’s from Dh following his aviation blogs.

I hope the baby was in proper restraint.

Elmer, that’s funny! But it is true, they announce in French and English, I’m not sure what the rule is in Toronto as to which language is used first. And there might be an ”eh” in there.

What I've heard now is that 18 were taken to hospital (15 injured, 3 family members), and some of the injuries were post-crash (from the weather after they left the plane).

ETA ”At the time of the crash there were 20 to 30 mph winds, with reported gusts up to 40 mph. This was off the first time I read it. The winds were upwards of 70MPH. 20-30 mph winds are NORMAL where this plane flies!!!

Babies don't get their own seat on flights. It's common practice? Maybe you don't fly, and don't know this. It'd be like buckling in on a city bus... ain't gonna happen.

" It's common practice? "

Yes - apparently they did a study that showed something like 60 people would die for every baby saved in a plane crash. Something like that - I'll look for it.

Here it is.....The reasoning is that if even 5 or 6 percent of families choose to drive instead (due to increased costs for infants), more lives will be lost in car crashes. " Unless space for young children in restraint seats can be provided at low cost to families, with little or no diversion to automobile travel, a policy requiring restraint seat use could cause a net increase in deaths " https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5457713_Effects_and_Costs_of_Requiring_Child-Restraint_Systems_for_Young_Children_Traveling_on_Commercial_Airplanes

Re: injuries - reportedly, people were hanging upside down, suspended by their lap seatbelts, and when they released them they fell (of course). One passenger reportedly said everyone was hanging there like bats when the plane finally came to rest.

Latest from CTV news

https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/article/delays-expected-at-toronto-pearson-airport-following-plane-crash/

Interesting video. I'm not sure at all but maybe the plane rolled to the right enough so that the right wing hit the ground and broke off?

One thing I am sure of is how unexpected it was for me to hear the man taking the video exclaim what sounds like "oh bunk" a few times.

carol, I just watched an interview with one of the passengers. He was a first responder, travelling to a first responder convention. His only injury was a gash to the top of his head. He wasn’t sure how he got it but said he landed on the top of his noggin after undoing his seatbelt when hanging upside down. He went on to assist a woman and boy to get off of the plane and away from it.

He said he saw liquid running down the windows and heard a small explosion after the accident while still in the plane.

Elmer, it must have been his accent. You misheard. He said oh F🇨🇦CK, oh F🇨🇦CK.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video/2025/02/18/ctv-national-news-chaos-in-the-cabin-after-plane-crash-lands-upside-down/

This is video from inside the plane after the accident.

What is truly amazing is that the body of the plane stayed intact, thus saving those lives. If it had broken up, there could have been multiple fatalities and injuries.

I’ve flown a similar plane many times from our city to Atlanta. It’s a workhorse of the Delta fleet for sure.

" Elmer, it must have been his accent. You misheard. "

That may be. I tried to rewatch the video clip just now and it's either broken or was taken down. I get to the page and it says "Thanks for Watching" with no possibility to rewind to the beginning.