Professionally installed wood door warped after 16 months!
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Comments (28)I just wanted to make sure we had covered every possible reason *besides* installation, so installer can't say it was structural, shrinkage as wood dried out, etc. - everything he was trying to say last year. We are always telling DD no to run in the house b/c it shakes the whole floor (and she's only 40 lb!) so was wondering if we have too much deflection. I think installer should have known that if we do (or at least figured it based on joist size/spacing), but he'd just say he put down what I asked him to - incl. the 1/4" Hardibacker that I bought so he wouldn't have to haul it here in his van (since I was buying so much stuff from HD I rented a truck to get it all home - Trex and stuff that wouldn't fit in my SUV). Even that, I asked if he wanted to put 1/4" under the Nuheat and 1/2" everywhere else (mainly to try to make up the diff. in height with 1 extra coat of thinset plus the 1/8" mat). He said no, he could level it out - NOT! My floor slopes from end of mat to edge of carpet 18" or so away. Didn't notice it with shoes on, by the time I moved in and floors were clean enough for socks it was too late to have him pull it up (ruin mat?) and redo the whole 13ft edge. Of course that's the area of the kitchen that hasn't come loose yet....See MoreGot my backsplash after almost 18 months!
Comments (49)Just had a thought for a narrow marble shelf that won't break the bank... I was browsing at Home Depot the other day and saw the marble thresholds that are used to transition floor finishes at the door. I picked up one that is 6" x 36" x 3/8" for about $12. They also had 4" x 24" and 4" x 36" pieces. Those have a little bit of a beveled edge and were about 1/2" thick. The one I bought is marked Bianco Carrara but they had another, more tan, type also. I am hoping (hoping!) the tile guy can trim this down a little bit to make a small shelf above the range for salt & pepper, etc. (If not, I have the receipt!) I think the HD guy thought I was a little crazy when I had all of their thresholds spread out on the floor so I could choose the "prettiest" one. It is pretty - nice veining, etc. Some were not so nice so I am glad I took the time to choose the best one....See MoreEngineered Wood Flooring warping question
Comments (25)As the person formerly known as Cancork, I'll answer as best as I can. The two layers is a variation on a theme. What it does is reduce the amount of ADHESIVE used in manufacturing. They are still using a multiple direction underlayer....without adding extra layers. They core is made up of wood that is laid side by side in different directions. Kind of like a basket weave or like parquet floor blocks. The grains are running in different directions yet only one layer has been used. Less glue = better VOC profile. The UV cured urethane finish is a "ho-hum" type of finish. Nothing exciting. Just an average finish. The 6mm thick hardwood wear layer is where the money is! The urethane finish + 6mm wear layer means this floor is GUARANTEED to be "refinished" at least twice...maybe even three times. So....they have reduced costs by using a single layer of wood for the core. They have reduced costs by using less adhesive to make the floor. They have reduced costs by using a rather "regular" UV urethane finish. They have ADDED value by working with a THICK wear layer. And all the VALUE is in the wear layer! So....save, save, save so that you can add VALUE with the expensive 6mm wear layer. It is definitely a product I would take a strong look at if I were to work with an engineered hardwood. That being said, the urethane finish isn't going to give the scratch resistance that many people demand. It isn't that type of finish. It is going to scratch....because that is what it is designed to do. I don't care about scratches....I used to sell/live with cork. Cork scratches like the dickens. But I DON'T CARE! That's me. You are you. Only you can decide where to put your emphasis. Personally, this looks to have a great presentation....because the MONEY is in the 6mm wear layer! That's worth it's weight in gold! That is your "money shot"....See MoreLarge Gaps Along Length of Hardwood Installed Just Months Ago
Comments (31)@bry911 I was reading through the comments so I could gather my thoughts for the flooring guy when I came across an old comment of yours that is incredibly helpful. Why did you add an essay to an old comment and not just post a new one? I'm not sure I ever would have seen it and it's very good information. Explains the longitudinal movement. I was stumped by that one. FYI, never said plain sawn lumber is the most stable, just thought it was important to the discussion. And I'm pretty sure we have agreed on wood movement the entire time. Also, not sure where you got the floor is bouncing from. It just makes a cracking sound once in a while. As for the floor, it's not something to get upset about, just a floor and can be fixed thanks to all the feedback I received. Your new info is amazing. Exactly what I was looking for earlier. Wood moves radially, tangentially, and longitudinally. Flat (plain) sawn lumber has the most widely varying grain pattern and therefore moves in the most directions. You appear to be asking why your gaps are happening at the end (longitudinal movement) rather than across the width. Which is a fair question, the most obvious answers to that question are poor layering of your core material, or that it isn't and you are just noticing it more on the ends of long boards and not noticing the gaps on the width as there are more of them. In essence, plywood gains dimensional stability by coupling tangential movement to longitudinal movement. Since longitudinal movement is much less than tangential movement (trees swell fatter with water rather than taller), this increases dimensional stability by limiting the amount the wood can swell without breaking the adhesive bond (that is why really thick face layers can be bad as the force of the movement overcomes the bond). In good plywood the grain is rotated many directions and so the wood has longitudinal resistance in all directions. However, poor plywood can actually increase longitudinal movement if most of the core layers are between 60° and 120° of the face layer you will see an increase in length shrinkage and a decrease in width shrinkage. Modern plywoods often use some composite core but those cores have the same quality issues. MDF is usually very dimensionally stable, while any of the chipboards can suffer from quality control issues. All of this means that the face layer and its quality are at the mercy of the core layers and their quality, which is what Tatt's said originally. ------- Of course, it can be the movement of the subfloor too, but a hardwood installer shouldn't be stumped by that. If your floor is bouncing a lot as you walk on it, then the floor is going to move, but your installer should have noticed that....See MoreRelated Professionals
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