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Dishwashers. Asko? Miele? Bosch?
Comments (4)girl - the sump of a DW needs a given amount of water to even run at all -"the fill". For a miele it's around 7 gallons. It doesn't matter whether it has 1 spray arm running or 5, it still takes 7 gallons to fill the sump. The half load options lessen that , but not by half , down to 3.5 gallons. The arms run on water flow and pressure - not electricity. Sure it takes a bit more to run multiple arms - but not enough more that you'd notice without some sophisticated equip. hooked up to your DW. I'd rank em : 3. Bosch - broader line and more $$$ options especially at the low end. Their entry level DW is nothing like their top of the line model, they aren't even made in the same place. The top models are quite good but are just as expensive as a miele so there's not a great reason to select it of that brand at the upper levels. 2. Asko - high quality across the line, but not as big and not as widely distributed. Started to produce some/all models outside home country. 1. Miele - high quality from entry level to top of range. The only difference is more insulation, more adjustment in the racks, and more wash programs. The very cheapest model is without a water softener to save $$$. Still made at home in germany....See MoreDishwasher: can't decide. Miele, Asko, JennAir, Viking, Bosch
Comments (30)So I got the Miele Diamante Plus G2143SC installed yesterday. I ran it through two Rinse & Hold cycles first and then did a Pot Scrubber with detergent added so that the inside was clean of any manufacturing residue. I loaded it up with lunch and dinner dishes and pans that evening and ran it on the Normal program (the Turbo mode was off). I stayed near the kitchen the entire time and it sounded like it filled with water, pre-washed, drained, filled, pre-washed again (why?), drained, filled, washed (heard detergent door open), drained, filled, rinsed, drained, dried. Also, during the end rinse (which took about 30 minutes total), the last 15 minutes it sounded louder, like it was using higher water pressure. The entire time using the Normal cycle from start to end when it drained the final rinse water was 2 hours! The original GE Profile I had 3 years ago took about an hour using Normal, and the Electrolux from 2 years ago was about 1.5 hours. Tonight I going to use Normal again, but also with the Turbo mode turned on and see if there is any difference. Whenever it starts to fill with water, there is a slight is slight gurgling sound, but it only last for about 5 seconds and then fills pretty quite. During the pre-wash, wash, and rinse, it was very quite while running (more so than the GE and Electrolux I owned). I did hear (at the local Miele showroom) a Optima in use a few weeks ago (it has Q3 noise level) and I think it was a tad bit quieter than this Diamante (Q2 noise level) but not by much. When we checked it this morning, everything was perfectly clean (dishes, posts, pans, plastic cups (we don't use real glass glasses too often), and silverware. The plastic cups were dry except on a few that concave on the top where there was some water puddle. There was also a plastic storage container that was used to store left-overs. It was clean, but also has some water on the top part. Everything else was dry and spotless. So with only 1 use down, we're relatively happy with our purchase, and baring any problems down the road, I'd consider buying Miele again. A few other nice things about the way it's made, unlike most other dishwashers (including the GE and Electrolux we had), is that the exterior has it's own sealed enclosure on the sides and top, where most other brands you can see the fiber-insulation on the sides and top. This unit was side mounted (due to granite counters). The way it works is there's two screws on each side top and bottom, right before the water-seal. But instead of it drilling into the sides of the cabinet, they instead push a piece of metal onto the side of the cabinet that hold the dishwasher in place. This is nice, as it eliminates any drilling into the wood, but still holds it very firmly....See MoreNeed new dishwasher - Bosch 800 series vs Kitchenaid vs Miele?
Comments (28)Most or all miele dealers carry no inventory ! So, being saddled with a non seller isn't really plausible. Mom , it's very surprising that your DISHES weren't dry if you used rinse aid. Things like tupperware lids, sippycup tops, and other plastic items with channels that collect water and have no mass - yes. But those things are often wet out of heated dry makes too. My MIL had a GE with a huge element in the bottom and all the grandkid's stuff was wet after a cycle in that too. Yes, Bosch has cheaper models, but feature for feature (which is hard to align) they are pretty much the same price. Now, factor in that Miele makes all of their units in Germany with astronomical wage scales, ships them here, and pays duty on them, makes me wonder if the Bosch stuff made in rural NC is a tad over priced in comparison ? Still fine machines - and yes, I have a couple of them as well as Mieles....See MoreFeedback on Cove dishwasher (also considering Miele and Bosch)
Comments (84)For Cove being the most expensive dishwasher on the market, and the only one to handle all the dishes I want it to handle, is the only thing that's gone right. I do place my pots and bowls sideways between the tines and it sort of works. But I have had multiple problems, and some from the company itself. I was told that I should expect to come back to a smelly dishwasher if I left the last load on while away. This had not been the case with my old Maytag. I was stunned. But after completion the dishes weren't always clean either, filmed and any standing water was not fully clean water. Long story short, the top rack was not making good contact with its hose at the back. This dishwasher also has very weak supports for its racks. I have already had to purchase (and they only come as a full piece ,even though it comes apart), 2 full tine pieces for $20 each. Now another one has broken. They are plastic and if the tines are pushed then the green piece which supports it cracks. MY old Maytag had tines that you could move just by moving the actual tine assembly. This one must be messed with to move it and frankly I would rather have fixed tines. So I saw my dishes leaning, and sure enough the one support, maybe others, are broken again. Really like the warranty period though, and I hope these next ones they will cover as it came with normal use of dishwasher. So because it holds so many dishes and now washes properly I would give it a 5*, but can only give it 4* for the trouble I've had from this $3500+ dishwasher. Cove please look at the old Maytags ! Yes those adapter pieces to move the tines from one position to another did fail but only after 10 years! Until the design changes I cannot recommend even though the other dishwashers aren't as good either!...See MoreRelated Professionals
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