48” Wolf Range Griddle vs All Burners
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Comments (6)I played with both the Wolf AG and the Miele 48" ranges yesterday. I have been selecting between the two and my last range was a 36" Wolf which I loved and would buy again regardless of the chipping concern I have heard here. I should note that I brought this up with the sales person and they noted that this was a historical issue that Wolf has addressed and that the wall ovens had the majority of the issues. I know that some folks here still have a concern, but based on all of my research on the forum, looking at several Wolf ranges that are in the family (to see if they have an issue) and talking to sales people, I decided not to make that a real factor in my decision. That being said, here is why I decided to go with the Miele over the Wolf (I should note that we have not bought yet). The Wolf is a beautiful range and I personally would get the DF over the AG. My biggest issue is that the design is old and has not kept up with their technology in the M series ovens. The new design only really has better burners over my old one which was a 2004, otherwise there does not seem to be any difference. I really don't understand why they can make such a nice M series oven and they don't put this cooking technology back into their flagships $10k+ ranges. This is where I think Miele excels. From what I can see, they have taken their wall oven technology and created a range around it. I don't see this as unproven, but rather a combination of cooking capabilities they were already producing in their highly rated lines. I played around with the 48" range and was impressed on how well it worked and easy it is to turn on the oven, etc. The interface was very nice. I really wish I could do the 48" in my house because it gives you two real ovens, plus a microwave and and warming drawer. If you are space constrained, it is awesome because you don't need another place to put in a microwave (a 24 to 30 inch appliance). The only reason why it won't work on my end is that it is killing too much wall cabinet space, but perhaps I can find a way to fix that! The Speed Oven was the cooking appliance we used the most as it heats very quickly and also cooks very fast. I admit that I am into technology, so it is very hard for me to swallow buying a range for over $10k and realize that they are not putting the technology from their ovens in the range, that you are getting a very basic oven in comparison. If Wolf had put the interface from the M series oven in the range, it would have been a very different evaluation on my end. Good luck with your selection, as I really think either are a great choice and I would be happy either way....See More48" with 24" Griddle Rangetop Questions - Bluestar vs Wolf
Comments (7)The Wolf has a 3/4 inch thickness vs BS 3/8 inch so will take longer to heat up but the thickness is one aspect that would make it heat more evenly. Some people do like having warmer and cooler zones though. The increased mass from the thickness of Wolf holds much more heat and will also make it take longer to adjust the temperature up and down. In discussing burners, the term "open" burner gets tossed around indiscriminately and causes confusion. Some people use "open" to talk about the burner tray and others about whether a burner is capped or uncapped. Some have even attributed high BTUs to "open" burners. The open vs sealed burner tray is mostly about a preference for cleaning one way or another. There are videos online about cleaning BS. If you do a lot of Wok cooking, the BS uncapped burner with a more upright flame would have more heat coming lower on the wok so would be better for stir frying along with a few more BTUs. Wolf has increased their BTUs by quite a bit but because they are capped burners, it can cause the flame to flare more on the highest settings. I would want to see how wide the flame is on a live range. I have the older model Wolf that tops out at 15K and the flare is not as much as some capped burners but not sure what it is with the increase to 20K. The dual stacked burners help this but as you try to get more range in BTUs, it can make more flare. There is no way to compare simmers on these two ranges until you can compare BTUs and the BS BTU has never been available. They only give a very nonspecific temperature rating. The star shaped burner with BS gives more even heat if you cook with cast iron, steel or stainless pans if you size the burner to the pan. If you use heavy gauge copper or aluminum they will even the heat of the burner so the star shape doesn't matter as much. We bought Wolf with the idea that they backed their product and for the most part during the warranty they would. They used to stand behind their products after the warranty but this kind of service has gone away. If you require service, you have to use their techs so you are at their mercy as to what they will charge and if they will give you an estimate beforehand. Agree with homechef59 that the rangetop has a lot less potential for trouble than a range. "Homechef59 I'm all about the open burners. I don't like the sealed ones because of the loss of BTU's. Wolf used to make an open burner unit, but they stopped that a while back. " ---- I am curious as to your rationale for your belief that you lose BTUs with a sealed burner tray. Can you please explain. Wolf/SZ made a all gas range before the current model -with a semi sealed burner tray, that was tight against the burner but broke down for cleaning. and it had a burner with a smaller simmer burner inside and both were capped. I had never heard of Wolf/SZ making a range with open burner trays or uncapped burners depending on what you mean when you say "open" burners....See MoreBest hood for 48 inch wolf range with grill, griddle and 4 burners!
Comments (21)My understanding is that the silencer has to go before the motor (i.e. vent liner --> silencer --> motor). It's silencing the fan and motor noise, so it wouldn't make sense to have it after the motor. If you have enough space in the attic to put an inline blower after the silencer, then you wouldn't need an external blower. For us, the silencer barely fits between the attic floor and ceiling, so we had to have an external blower. The contractor was worried it would be loud outside (it's on the slope above our deck) but it's fine....See MoreWolf 48" DF Range--8 burners or griddle?
Comments (15)A few thoughts: - In addition to pancakes, steaks, and other griddle things we use ours as a warming plate and pseudo french top. This works great for both cooking and keeping things like sauces warm. We've currently a Wolf 36" AG w/ 12" griddle + 4 burners that we've been very happy with. Will likely do a 48" AG BS w/ 24" griddle + 4 burners in new house. - A built-in thermostatically controlled griddle is massively easier to use than a plate on top of burners. - We've not found cleaning a problem. After use we scrape it with a spatula and then wipe some peanut oil on after it cools but is still warm. This has worked well for 15 or so years. It's a bit of a splotchy bronze patina but works great. My wife will sometimes put the SS cover on it. - If a second oven is the key driver then think about an AG range + separate electric oven. Gas and electric cook different and we're glad we have both. The wall mount oven is also at a more convenient height that lessens stooping. - I am very much function over form. Our kitchen is primarily a workshop. Bad functionality will frustrate us far more than bad aesthetics. OTOH, a kitchen that looks like it functions good and is well used has it's own aesthetic appeal....See MoreRelated Professionals
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